Yuuup. Keep going. what else?
Yes seems mostly hypothetical. Remember last election and what happened there?
this debate just looks like that, even though the facts say different things but the discussion result is more like still horde might be better or something, I just kinda lost after reading all that political 
How so? Most of your allegations towards the Alliance have been disproven.
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Gotta give a props up to our own and only amonet. For actually staying on topic at this point. And keeping the thread in line
Yes because politics annoy the hell out of me.
I shall stop… No matter whats replied to me after this point on. I shall not reply. And the thread shall resume to its original topic I swear it on all the loas.
This can be educational on how to deal with bullies - bullying and dogpiling. There will always be people like Skullfox / Warlóór / Dralkharn. No matter what the topic and discussions on the forums they bypass it and target Moltensage. Baseless accusations - ad hominem attacks - targeted harassment - bad faith arguments. Like if Moltensage takes a break from the forums: Oh that’s because you got banned. They will also confirm their own bias and more.
When they see their tactics fail some double down or others stop, sometimes try new tactics. Why isn’t he/she defending themself against my baseless accusations? Why won’t others believe me when I SAY he/she is a bad person? Ist / Ism / Phobic.
Topics they are sensitive about is not allowed to be scrutinized. Legitimate criticism can not exist. But one does not have to capitulate to the mob.
The War Within seems close by. So the story of the Alliance and Horde and it’s characters continues.
I do expect more bullying and dogpiling from the likes of those mentioned. But also for the moderation team to do nothing about it.
Continuing the discussion from Factions wars:
Continuing the discussion from Wow is on the comeback <3:
Continuing the discussion from Pls delete:
Just from a quick forum search ‘‘Moltensage alphabet people’’ Lmao
So baseless accusastions? I think not. These are the ones that weren’t deleted by blizzard I would suppose.
Point is you… Like I said are not above talking about politics and real events. So stop lying and taking the victim card.
Your saying I make baseless accusausastion and bad faith arguements when you fully know that if I where too prove half the crap youve said and done. I’d have too scroll trough all 1144 of your crusade post and pull out each. You know I cannot do that but here are just a few I was able to find from your crusade after a quick forum search.
Didn’t wanna do this… But daaaaamn are you full of or what
So you lied about no longer responding. Nothing new there.
Faction Wars is a A 228 post thread 13 May 2023.
Wow in on the comeback <3
A 174 post thread closed 24 May 2023.
Man’ari Eredar Full Customiation OR Allied Race.
That is an ongoing thread.
Pls Delete thread
752 posts closed 1st March 2023.
The Americans created and exported the concept of “Cancel Culture” where some are justified in trying to “Cancel” others for what? Diversity of thought.
Searching the term “alphabet people” on Google / Facebook or any other search engine or social media platform you want. Will show results. So contrary to what the likes of Skullfox may believe. This was not a term created by Moltensage.
Dave Chapelle the Comedian even has shows about that.
You convinced me. It is not a Vulpera thing. It is a crazy person at a keyboard thing. Would Blizzard ban Moltensage for saying “crazy person”? Who knows.
Keep it WoW related. A search of “Alphabet people” on the Forums produces a wide range of results.
There are threads dating back to 2019 that used the term “Alphabet people”.
So what is Skullfox end game here? That only Moltensage has used this term? Since he described Moltensage to be on a “crusade”.
Should Blizzard ban everybody that has used this term?
There were many forum threads that was discussing the DEI and ESG that was pushed into Dragonflight with many voices on both sides discussing it.
Some demographics will push concepts like “preferred pronouns” but others just want to enjoy the content - hobby - game.
It is part of what sets a fan apart from a tourist. The tourists places their politics and ideology above the hobby and content itself.
No doubt people will not read through those threads that are 1000+ combined posts to see that you took things out of content. So out of context posts is what you are depending on.
Such as. A lot of biological males pretend to be females in gaming. So the Guys In Real Life is an old joke about just that.
H3t3ro is banned on the forums. It comes at a time where Male and Female was banned in character creation replaced with Body type 1 and Body type 2. Also where Western content creators are having DEI and ESG forced on just about everything.
It comes to intellectual property after intellectual property - hobby to hobby.
With only the likes of Helldivers 2 resisting this influence. WoW is no different.
Yes baseless accusations. As 1) What you thought is a smoking gun does not actually prove anything. 2) Alphabet people <— In itself is not an insult.
There are those that happen to have their orientation and live their lives, Then others that politicise their orientation or whatever else.
If an Alphabet person (dun dun dun! what you are obsessing about) Does not want to be pandered to just enjoy content like everyone else.
Will the Skullfox of the world brand him/her an Ist / Ism / Phobic? Possibly.
It is educational. To show that bullying and dogpiling by the likes of Skullfox / Warlóór / Dralkharn does not work.
Ask them to produce evidence of their baseless accusations and not only are they unable to the vast majority of the times. But anything they do produce does not stand up to Scrutiny.
So you want to be free to make baseless accusations without providing evidence for said baseless accusations. Already during this thread you have used terms such as racist, disparaged Black American people as leaders in America and more.
People like you are why laws concerning Slander and Defamation of character exists.
Context actually matters. Virtue signalling and pandering is something that is happening in gaming. Including WoW. So what Ubisoft is doing with their latest instalment of Assassin’s Creed called Shadows a 16 year and counting franchise. They chose to do a game in the setting of 1579 Japan. Historically speaking the Fuedal Era or Way of the Samurai ended in 1868.
So on of the main characters. Yasuke. Who was seen as a novelty to the ruler at the time Oda Nobunaga. Since they have never seen a Black person before. As the Japanese are historically known to be Isolationist country and the Americans and Europeans forced them to trade and such.
There is an attempt to rewrite Japanese history for the sake of modern day (Woke) ideology sensibilities and politics.
There are plenty of Japanese Samurai that could be used from roughly the 12th Century to 1870s.
But a retainer that was a novelty by Oda Nobunaga is who they choose to push front and centre. Perhaps Black people also do not like to be pandered to. One does not have to be the targeted demographic that is being pandered to in order to dislike pandering in general.
I am going out of my way to explain to the reader HOW people like Skullfox are bad faith. To spell it out clearly: ANYTHING taken out of context can be used to paint anyone in the worst possible light.
More lies by Skullfox.
There have consistently been a campaign against Moltensage. Possibly aiming to have the thread locked and banned.
jesus christ on a bike your so insane.
I am sorry you spent almost an hour writing all of that
You are upset that I can actually refute all of your baseless claims. You see it takes more effort to refute baseless claims than it does to make them.
Below is a post from October 2019 referring to “Alphabet people”
200 posts thread closed on 30 October 2019
You failed to prove your points about Vulpera attacks on the Alliance in Voldun.
Others mentioned that from the perspective of the Alliance much was done to minimize Vulpera casualties despite the Alliance being at war with the Horde and despite the Vulpera aggression against the Alliance and colluding with the Horde.
You failed to prove that Moltensage is the bad guy/bad girl you paint Moltensage as.
You go out of your way to destroy threads.
Moltensage only proved Skullfox to be a liar. But I will not stoop to your level of ad hominems and personal attacks.
No matter what thread Moltensage posts on. I bet a certain Vulpera can’t help himself/herself but following.
I have literally proved every single point. But you just spew walls of desperate text taking everything to the moon and beyond. It’s almost like i am talking to a super bi polar person and hitting a nerve every single time.
It doesn’t matter how many times i ‘‘prove’’ my point to you you will go into a massive tantrum every time I do. Again and again and again.
We’re talking about how you said i brought in politics and real events into the game. All this time I have said that so have you in the past.
And look at the massive desperation that comes out of you when faced with that. Like its so desperate I feel sorry for you.
On one hand I wanna keep going and talk to you. But on the other I am honestly starting to feel bad.
Look. I am not gonna reply too you anymore. You are not ‘‘followed’’ by me. There is no campaign against you. Your not being bullied either…
People just disagree with you.
If returning to main discussion about factions, we saw Molten being quite on extreme side of Alliance argument, and that is already heated debate, no one knows what would happen with this discussion if we occasionally wake the Ereboy here, it would be probably a fire battle between the 2. So far we could get to kinda conclusive argument that Alliance is definitely not bad as the horde also not super villains, but the list of crimes commited by Horde is quite bigger than one on Alliance side. And also that in real game and story we saw the alliance was actually acknowledging their actions for most of their crimes as well except few debatable cases (Garithos & vulpera caravans), still it feels like Alliance is on a bit more bright side, if just looking at it as objective as we can.
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Perhaps from the Alliance perspective. Conflict with the Horde is simply survival. What new territories or resources have been claimed by the Alliance?
For example the Void Elves will not have survived was it not for Aleeria Windrunner and the Alliance. Resources to maintain Telogrus rift had to come from somewhere.
Peace is something tried multiple times. But when the Horde are in positions of power. Things like Night Elves being genocided as Teldrassil burned happens.
No doubt Azeroth had it’s own conflicts and such before the opening of the Dark Portal. However the Horde are a foreign invading army. They have admitted Azeroth natives into the Horde. But similar to the deforestation in Kalimdor.
The Horde are a destructive force. Not just the forests of Kalimdor but the Vale of Eternal Blossoms in Pandaria being scarred because of Horde efforts to obtain the heart of Y’shaarj.
The Alliance went to Pandaria to find the missing Prince Anduin. The Horde went to Pandaria to “paint the continent red”.
The further development and spread of plagues. Such as the conflicts over Darkshore.
Then making such a potent destructive plague that the country / area of Undercity or ruins of Lordaeron was uninhabitable even to most Undead. Except for the new Undead that was created then abandoned by Sylvannas.
Despite how the story have been written so far. The Alliance does not start wars. But the cost of defeat by the Horde is too high. Baine Bloodhoof prevented the Kul Tirans from suffering a Blight bomb by their former leader Derek Proudmoore. Kul Tiran people do look to the Proudmoore family for leadership.
Baine Bloodhoof held on to the last shreds of “honour” that the Horde claim to have.
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The Horde are grave robbers. The Horde mocked Derek Proudmoore when their Warchief called him “Lord Proudmoore” the reason being is that the Horde forced Derek into Undeath to become a slave of the Horde. Then A tool then a weapon to be used against the Kul Tirans and the Alliance.
“Honour no matter how dire the battle. Never forsake it” 
Words spoke by Saurfang to Garrosh in Northrend, which was not forgotten then repeated by Garrosh in Stonetalon Mountains.
“How many times must we forsake our honour?” Baine Bloodhoof asked.
A tormented - confused - helpless Derek Proudmoore. His begging and pleading fell on deaf ears. ONLY Baine Bloodhoof listened.
“This is wrong there is no honour in it” “Her deeds disgrace us all”.
Why is this important?
The reason being is that there is aftermath of a war.
Fear and Dread can be powerful motivators but should not rule over others. For the Alliance there is once again the fear and dread of slavery in Undeath. This is in part WHY the Alliance and the Horde armies marched to Northrend to stop the Lich King. As the Scourge was going to wash over all of Azeroth. Since it was designed by the Burning Legion to weaken Azeroth for Legion invasion.
One of the things that set the Alliance and Horde apart. Horde civilians do not have to fear the Alliance. But Alliance civilians have been given plenty of reasons to fear the Horde.
What gurantees does the Alliance have that what the Horde done to Derek Proudmoore they will not do to others?
Can Baine Bloodhoof alone restore the “honour” of the Horde?
Should he reach out to the other Horde leaders. Would he change them, Remember they chose to remain silent. As Baine was arrested and sentenced to be executed. Thrall and Saurfang was part of his rescue team.
The entire thread. Is supposed to be looking at the Morality of the Alliance and Horde. But there are distinctions between both. If the Horde had the opportunity to burn another Alliance city would they do so again?
Jaina Proudmoore (although not part of the Alliance at the time) had the opportunity to drown Orgrimmar after the events of the bombing of Theramore but chose not to.
Is the Alliance all good? No. But executing the overzealous Alliance at the Camp Taurajo operation. Demonstrates a sense of accountability among the Alliance.
Perhaps. Just like with the 2010 Blizzcon the famous red shirt guy, The Blizzard Dev teams forgot their own lore?
But it is a 20 year franchise so it can happen. To clarify. The Horde are supposed to have Honour and place it in high esteem and regard. But their actions contradict this.
High King Varian Wrynn once said to Warchief Voljin: “If your Horde fails to uphold honour. As Garrosh did. We will end you”
The War is over. So the soldiers of the Alliance MUST allow diplomats to maintain the peace. Until we are needed again.
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Oh please, your one talk about extremism. Time and time again we disprove your “Alliance are actually the bad guys” arguments and you ignore them, time and time again we disprove your “Alliance don’t get punished for their actions” and you ignore those to. You are literally like a propaganda machine.
Also can you freaking stop with the stupid political talk. Both left and right wing are extremely… I can’t say the word because it’s against ToS, so insert whatever negative adjective you want… both sides are mind rotted to the point of parody, one side screams woke the moment they see an Alphabet person and the other has a hearth attack as soon the name Trump shows up on their monitors, not to mention the constant istophobes bomb drops the moment one side disagrees with the other on the smallest matter. YOU ARE BORING. This is a game forum, go to TwatterX69 if you want to discus politics, much less American politics.
PS
Hey finally you are starting to acknowledge the debates in the thread. Good job for once.
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That’s quite sad war is a gross thing and i apologise for doing it. But the horde commited so many war crimes more than Anakin Skywalker did.
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Why apologise for self defence?
Vulpera have poisons - sharp weapons - dangerous spells. Even without the Horde war machine they can be nasty little critters.
The Alliance came there for the Horde. Vulpera just got / put themselves in our way.
Alliance did not ask for that war. But had to end it.
There is no such thing as a war without casualties. It’s just a case of how bad the damage is and the survivors being able to rebuild.
It’s not that they forgot, it’s because the new writers didn’t bother checking what came before.
But they had no idea what they were getting into. Compassion and understanding is one of the 3 virtues of a Paladin.