Which side is morally better?

It was till it derailed :sob::pensive:

Are you speaking from experience or just virtue signaling? It’s 2024, how they are threated now is very very different than how it was before in ye olden days, and I am not saying that bullying, discrimination and bigotry do not exist anymore, on the contrary buuut the human race will never be able to exorcise those demons completely, not unless you remove free will.

Also from personal experience I do not believe that bullying and discrimination in younger ages doesn’t come from bigotry. I am straight and white and I got constantly bullied in school for the type of music I liked and the type of clothes I wore, and get this I got bullied by a group that included a PoC and a lesbian. Imo bullying comes on the basis of “least things in common with the majority”. But then again I don’t think I am considered a marginalyzed group anymore by the woke crowd so I can only speak for myself and my observatons.

Was also bullied for various reason by various people doesn’t necessarily mean it’s one of them. My point comes more from look how people react online anytime one of them dares to appear in media. That’s the thing I have a big issue with. If a character sucks criticise them for their character not their “wokeness”

Most of the LGBT+ characters I have seen beeing criticized (and I have seen a lot of those) have been criticized for their character and not their… well part in the alphabet. I have criticized a big chunk of them in fact on these forums, like Pelegos for example. Sure part of the criticism is that these characters are not really characters at all but just there for diversity points, for example tell me something about Thomas and his husband other than they are gay and that they are crafters. Then we have characters like Iceman (and I believe many more but I stopped reading that crap) from Marvel comics who got retconned into being an LGBT+ character, are we not allowed to criticize that? Are you sure that there wasn’t any criticism after “I have a problem with this LGBT character” and just went straight to calling people istophobes?

And on a possitive note I have not seen many complaints about Vi and Caitlin from Arcance (even though Cait was a bit undercoocked but hopefully we get more of her in S2) or Astarion from BG3.

And to repeat myself I am not saying that bigotry doesn’t exist or there isn’t some reeee… almost used the forbiden word, you know the drill… on youtube or reddit or TwitterX69 that will have a problem with a characters sexuality/gender but those people are few and far between.

Pelegos where it barley matters for his character

Only ever heard on the forums

If something looks like a dog and barks it’s a dog

So you are proving m point. As soon as you see “I have a problem with X” you stop reading. And then you wonder why you don’t see any actual cricizm of the said characters.

I don’t really care about that part of him, what I did care was that his gender was used as a marketing strategy by Blizzard and news outlets and he ended up being a cardboard cutout.

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I read the entire criticism and then make a informed judgement. :man_shrugging:

This

Does not sound like an informed judgement.

If you constantly see the same criticisms from the same people it loses meaning honestly. Plus the second part is meant to imply I do read it and make an informed judgement

Oh my, let the irl being outside of these forums, it is now so derailed

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So does calling everyone you disagree with an istophobe and clutching your pearls the moment you hear the name Donald Trump.

Also this

Sorry OP I let my guard down. I’m stopping with the IRL stuff.

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That’s not what I’m doing

and the alliance coud know they quilboars are about to attack.
Or you coud blame the tauren for seetling in quilboar terretory or close by, which already endager them ( even befor the allinace appeard)

typical, its the Alliance fault, never the horde ones…

same, this getting ridiculous…

both side stop talk the polictical talk or we can expet some blue here swings the bannhammer.

so, that shall put the whole “purge” debate finaly to halt, and proof that jaina dint kill unamed civilians, making the argument for the horde finaly obsolete.

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Until someone decides to conveniently forget about it again.

Still if we are talking about purge of dalaran, even though Jaina actually did not killed unarmed civilian sunreavers, but the whole matter was not pleasant for elves anyways. For them it looked more like: “Surrender and go to jail, or die”. So they might argue that it was too much of generalization from Jaina, that only few sunreaver agents were guilty in that. But yeah overall, at least it is not the genocide level of crime she did. If not “purge” the blood elves could leave the horde, but because of Jaina’s justice they did not want to make anything in common with alliance

My lores iffy here. We’re the quail boat in the barrens first then the Tauren came later? Same with the centaur?

Various horde races I could call immoral (goblin and undead) but I have the hardest time with Tauren. They are prob the most peaceful horde race

She offered them refuge to escape the war before the divine bell was stolen, the few agents broke her trust so she rescinded the invitation. She send them to prison to interrogate them in order to check who among them were still Horde loyalists but pretending to be not. However as far as I know she did attempt to have all of them deported back but failed (as seen by the belf presence during Legion in Dalaran).

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As far as I can remember boars and Centaur were there first.

Tbf Tauren (at least the Thunderbluff and Highmountain tribes) are chill even by Alliance standards, no idea why they are in the Horde XD.

Because the horde intervened and saved them from centaur in w3
At the brink of extinction, the chieftain [Cairne Bloodhoof], desperate for help, turned to the strange green-skinned warriors from over the sea. Cairne quickly befriended [Warchief Thrall]and the other [orcs] and recognized that they shared a love for honor and battle. For their part, the orcs and the [Darkspear trolls] that composed the [Horde] found much in common with the tauren. Each of these races wanted to achieve a more [shamanistic]culture, and the tauren, long versed in the lore of spirit and nature, were well-prepared to provide counsel and support to the budding [shamanism]within the Horde.

With the orcs’ help, [Cairne] and his [Bloodhoof tribe] were able to drive back the [centaur] and claim the grasslands of [Mulgore] for themselves. For the first time in millennia, the tauren had a land to call their own. For this alone they were forever indebted to their orcish allies. Upon the windswept mesa of [Thunder Bluff], Cairne built a refuge for his people, where tauren of [every tribe] were welcome.

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because the orcs saved them in warcraft 3 by exctingtion by the centaurers.

this.
and is a honor debt (which shoud likely paid)
The tauren joind for protecttion from other races so they dont fall prey to otherr one again but at the end being at the aggrosor side, something they dont join ip for (same for the blood evels, it was for protection, not o fall behind, and not being the aggesor and throw one generation after another one into the meatgrinder, which they cant afford because the low population)