dont worry, it wont happen to me
Being a, I believe the kids call it âdemonicâ dps is a valid reason to get booted in my opinion. The dungeons are boring enough, no reason to make them longer by twiddling your thumbs.
I think it depends. If someone at like 350 ilvl isnât doing 380 ilvl dps, itâs not justified. But like today I was grouped with a 7/7 hc hunter with majority hc raid gear doing 20k overall dps, then it is absolutely. I do about 3/4 of that dps on my 330 hunter.
The vote to kick system is a scam and isnât needed at all.
When is the last time that anyone has had a conversation in a dungeon which lead to people arguing and abusing each other to the extent that removing someone felt necessary?
Hardly ever or never?
Can the game not automatically detect if you are afk?
Why is manual input by players necessary if this system gets abused more often than it is used for legitimate purposes?
If a system is hardly EVER used for the intended purpose, because legitimate occurrences are rare, but is instead ABUSED more often than anything, to kick someone for fun for example -
- Then what is it for? Punishing spiritual people who are unbalanced and misguided in this universe?
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Sometimes, but not often.
There was an iteration that did so, and they just auto followed and did some spells here and there and continued being AFK.
The legitimate purpose is the removal of players by the majorityâs will within a party, which is its intended goal.
In fact, recent community feedback added an in progress debuff upon leaving or kicking as well:
It is required for sure.
Proposals so far include but not limited to:
- âReduced cooldowns stacking upwardsâ so that if you arenât kicked often, it starts with a minor debuff.
- âReduced cooldowns, stacking downwardsâ so if youâre in a âgoodâ party, then when they surprisepikachu kick you at the end the cooldown is lower.
- âWarning before Debuffâ - When you get removed from dungeon you get a Warning but allows you to requeue, if you get kicked again you get debuffed on subsequent leaves.
- âAdd reporting for kickingâ - This is akin FF where they investigate if someone is really, really using votekick so often and gets reported for it that often as well. WoW used to do this.
If you have a proper suggestion, you may submit it through the ingame feedback box. I also would like to know to see if the suggestion can be improved making it into a better experience for everyone involved.
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Your comment on genocide has nothing to do with you getting kicked. I understand youâre angry and want to see change.
Constructive feedback is welcome as I stated, therefore you should take a little break before landing yourself in more trouble.
It is needed in some way, unfortunately. People like the gnome in this thread would gigagrief every group into infinity if given the chance, without any possibility of consequence.
Well that escalated quickly.
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why do u think a kick system is required in dungeons but not bgs? the (retail at least) pvp system works so that u get a 1 min debuff to enter combat if u are reported for being afk.
However the player experience would be superior with dungeon finder, non-premade bgs and raid finder being non existant and left for players to form groups.
Even on retail since mythic+ was added dungeon finder is basically only for leveling. or the weeks before mythic dungeons are released in new expansions. Raid finder was only useful during dragon soul, the patch it was added
If there is abuse in a dungeon. Just ignore that player. Vote to kick is not needed.
If someone is botting. Let the game detect it. Vote to kick is not needed.
If someone is AFKing and using follow, in the dungeon. Then make it so players can toggle an option to not be followed in the dungeon. Vote to kick is not needed.
For every reason that you can say out loud for why removing a player is needed, there is surely a simple solution that doesnât require a manual vote to kick system.
The truth is that the vote to kick system is purely there to punish players.
Because lets face it, we donât know who weâre playing with, do we? Or do we?
We could be playing with entities from another plane of existence for all we know, whose job it is, is to punish us when we arenât in balance in the universe. Sounds crazy?
The vote to kick system could easily be automated, but itâs not.
The amount of genius in this world is huge, meanwhile solving a few trouble makers in the dungeons is apparently a problem? Itâs not.
Just stop it.
Quick question. Do I live on Earth?.. Silly question, isnât it.
Like, where else am I supposed to live? the clouds?
Kick to remove from your party, block to remove from comms and report to ensure that the player does not further harass anyone in any setting.
Kick to remove from your party, donât feed bots. Also report to mark for banwaves.
It is already not possible to follow players in BGâs, yet they can be followed through other means. See previous argument at the botting section.
Suppp,
I hope blzrd get delete this clearly stupid debuff,
Cuz i thinkand iam clearly sure too some people un Dung have a mods or addons to reject any kick,
But if u have kicked inside a Dung why did u have debuff, U didnt press this BUTTON : Leave Party, So that hope soon be delete this horrible debuff
Because of this post. I have included two Blizzard statements on this topic. The debuff is for leaving the dungeon under any circumstances.
If that exists, why donât you have it? Heck, why donât everyone has it so nobody can get kicked? Such empty conspiracy theoriesâŚ
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4 People voted me out, but HAHA, I don´t have to leave, because I have the secret VETO addon 
Yeah, no, not in any way even remotely close to the way it actually works. A thousand times more likely is that they either disagreed with the reason for kicking, or no reason was given to begin with, or just didn´t care enough to wait 10 minutes to refill a group for a 5 minute instance run. 
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To say that people havenât been complaining enough is bold faced lie.
Allowing 3-4 miscreants vote to kick you for no good reason is their way of punishing players. They are stealing your game time and scamming players out of their money.
Such a horrible and scummy tactic by Blizzard, or whoever it is that is behind this.
I am sure that the real game designers who are able to meet each other in person and verify that they are real people, wonât be able to tell you any justification for why honest players are receiving HOURS of deserter de-buff.
They could make the vote to kick system work, they know how. They donât need our suggestions because they already know how to make it better. But they are being advised by third parties to leave it.
No proper justification has been given to us for why the system is a half baked mess. AFKers and afk bots are not a justification.
And those âthird partiesâ would be? Lizardmen? Teletubbies? Pigs in Space?
The Bluepost explaining why votekicks get the debuff since OG Cataclysm was presented by Saneko⌠Not agreeing with the reason given by the developers does not make it less valid. Their game, their rules, and effectively flaming them as incompetent by implying that they´re not ârealâ game designers is at best unlikely to make them reconsider their stance.
Your presented âsolutionâ of simply removing it altogether merely reopens the door to the exact same behavior that caused it to be included vor votekicks in the first place, as well as the behavior that caused it to be extended to last for the duration of the Dungeon only a few months ago, while not providing any sort of solution to either of those issues.
If your self-presentation ingame is similar in caliber and tenor to how you present yourself here, I can well imagine why you suffer from regular votekicks, and it has nothing to do with your performance and everything to do with your attitude.
Itâs pretty simple.
This is an MMORPG, not a solo-game. There is plenty of Discord Communities out there that premade dungeons.
You donât like the Vote Kick and you cry about it on the forums? I think thatâs a huge waste of your time.
Better option instead: Go find a (social) guild or a community and run them with folks that you like 
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This argument goes both ways though. If youâre queueing yourself up for RDF, youâre literally signing up for a dungeon with 4 other strangers of anything between full bis raid gear or minimum gear to entry (346 for infernos).
If you want a strict full pump full skip 380+ ilvl premade, then itâs pretty dumb to queue RDF and kick anyone who doesnât fit into that category. Like, I remember back in WotLK, there was this guy on these forums who claimed he votekicked anyone that wasnât 6k gs plus for gamma dungeons (or whatever the highest difficulty was called, canât remember). Thatâs just ignorance.
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Thatâs not the point I tried to make. People vote kick for a plethora of reasons, Iâm not defending nor argumenting pro or against any of the reasons.
Iâm saying itâs a waste of your time to cry on a public forum about it. Because thatâs not going to make your life better. Blizzard already said they are not changing the Vote Kick system so the only actual option we have is:
A. Use the system as it is, with it flaws
B. Use guilds/social communities
And I pointed that out. Nothing more, nothing less.
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i was doing an inferno grim batol today with a friend, the whole run was a trainwreck, at the last boss my friend was the only one who slowed the adds but was limited due to his cds and it wasnât enough, no interrupts or slow by anyone else, the other 2 dps sat on the storm, didnât focus adds fast enough, i ended up pulling 4.5m heals until we wiped, i whisper him âsorry iâm outâ, after a few minutes he says âwe kicked that druid and killed itâ i asked âhow much healing did the other healer put out?â he said â1.3mâ 
at that point i choose to leave rather than initiate a kick, but sometimes a kick does set the party straight 