So my guildmates and GM (we don’t have officers) are super salty I said that I am leaving the guild from next reset.
I’ve always been a hunter main but I was forced to play demo lock in Ulduar(other 2 locks said they will /gquit if they had to go demo) so I kinda stuck with it. Since our raid is super caster heavy and loot is contested i barely saw any loot, it always goes to usual suspects (We are lootcouncil guild and only person in it is our GM since we have no officers). So after not getting loot for some time, I asked can I start coming on my hunter, which was promptly denied and I was said i should commit to the lock because it benefits the guild. After the raid yesterday I got 0 caster loot, and all the hunter loot was promptly disenchanted since noone needs it(Skyforge,Dreambinder, extra 3-4 252 BIS item pieces) and because of that I said I won’t be raiding no more, not to say I didn’t even get reply code on my lock after all this time.
Even in naxx i had to play UH dk which I hated and never got full BIS on my hunter even tho we had 2 raid groups back then. A social hunter would join the raid once a month and he would get all the BiS loot that dropped because out only lootcouncil member thought if we fed him loot he would become a member. So after raiding whole patch with my guild(every reset) i didn’t even get full BiS. And even now people bring their 4 k gs alts in the raid and that is fine, but I have to play the stupid demo lock. And I wouldn’t mind if we had 2 raid groups and I could play hunter in the second one. We hemorraged 30ish players in Ulduar and raid 2 fell apart. And people still think that’s normal.
And now my “guild mates” are super salty, calling me selfish, how I am selfish and gimped the guild by not providing buffs etc.
I was actually amazed that like 80% of the guild expects me to play class I don’t like just to get their buff over me actually having fun playing the game.
Apparently playing 2 classes I don’t like for 2 patches isn’t enough for this guild.
This is ridiculous, why would you get forced to play demo lock instead of your main and then get 0 loot when it’s one of the few specs that actually bennefits the whole raid? Your guild is reta***d overall but if you decide to stay in that shltshow you are not better.
Imagine playing a game you pay a monthly sub for to get some dude telling you what class and spec you need to play LMAO
This is also another reason why I will go guildless next phase and prob ICC too, tired of corrupt lootcouncil guilds.
I mean, you said it yourself. Its up to the player to stay or not, and after 2-3 resets of loot distribution, a person should have pretty good insight in the distrubution of items amongst players.
In this day and age, unless you are running Progress or APES or similar, the power is in the hands of the Members - not the Guild (GM). Any PUG, GDKP or other half bad guild out there can offer you a reset clear - so it’s up to the GM to be honest and recruit people with the shared mindset.
Corrupt GMs and guilds can only exist if the Members allow it. But then again, if 30 Members are happy and 1 Member calls “corruption”, perhaps the GM isnt the problem after all. Sometimes the manbabies of WoW have a problem lifting their head up and seeing the whole picture.
Either way, nobody is forced to play with anybody. Its easy to take your business elsewhere if the shoe doesnt fit =)
I mean, we had over 30 ppl quit the guild during ulduar.
During week 1 of ulduar we spent 35-40 hours cleaning 10/25 and we didn’t clear all the HMs.
And since we only have GM that raid logs we don’t have influx of new people and so grp 2 was disbanded. Even grp 1 doesn’t raid every week because we miss 2-3 people on resets. Also we had few people who got full bis and just stopped showing up.
Also added edit.
We wipe on iron council cause no hunters/rogues/warriors want to spec into healing reduction/using wound poison.
I mean it sounds like a structural problem that you, and the other members, are enabling. Ask yourself why you are staying if nothing is working.
A guild wont run itself just becuase a person yells loud and has the correct title.
I played in a guild once where the GM didnt do anything, but wanted both respect and loot. The big question to him from me was - why do we need you? He quit the very same afternoon.
I’ve been through the same thing, OP. I left that guild after a few months, and never looked back.
We don’t really know if it’s just OP who left, and according to what he posted later, he’s not.
Plus, there are players who care more about being in a “hardcore” guild than actually getting loot. Personally that’s not me, but that’s the only explanation I can come up for why some individuals can put up with officers getting all gear for the first 4-6 weeks as a “trade-off” for downing content 3-6 weeks ahead of other guilds.
Then again, the guild I left that was like that also migrated to Gehennas because MR apparently was “too small for their turnover rate”… which says a lot about how these LC hardcore guilds operate (hint: a core of 15-20 people who hog all the loot and a few extras that are cycled every few months and never see anything but scraps)
I’ve been in a guild like that before, they want to min/max everything rather than enjoy it. If you made a single mistake, even hitting Heroism 3 seconds late you got banned from the next raid. They were far too toxic for me.
You need to say, I am going to play this class, if they say no you threaten to leave once, if they insist, you leave, it’s that simple. Why not ask one of them to play a lock if it’s that important, don’t let them shove you around. Sounds to me like the guild is on the way out anyway.
They need reminding this game is supposed to be fun, not a chore you hate.
Jesus, in this day and age it baffles me a guild like that even exists anymore. Raiding is not some super elite thing only a select few can enjoy. If anyone ever tried to tell me what to play I’d politely but firmly tell them to shove it and laugh.
These types of guilds in classic are usually only hardcore on discord. Endless discussions on how to optimise the raid, mandatory videos and addons to preform better on bosses and whatnot… all while clearing 4 HM’s. Those guilds tend to not survive for long.
Rip wrath classic. Joke of a game, joke of a community.
Well, claiming a guild is hardcore and actually being hardcore is as easy as looking at the times and parses of the guild and members and making the call.
If a player joins a guild where the only shared factor between the guild and proper hardcore guilds is a copy paste loot council - then it’s on the player.
Some people like the label more than the content, let them pay for it.
As far as Officers getting loot before other members, I havent seen that in any proper hardcore guilds. If anything atleast in them one can be sure that the correct item goes to the class that benefits the most, as the collective aim is improvement. They also tend to have a way of keeping their members, which means more loot to eveybody.
My experience these years of Classic, but also before on Retail, is that the more established and hardcore a guild is, the less the members focus and complain about loot and other stupid things.
Loot seems to be the center of drama for most “We ArE SemI HaRdCorE”-guilds out there, which is (according to themselfs) like 95% of all the guilds.
Not to say that there isnt a collective madness in Classic that has eveybody thinking running a guild or playing can only be done in a certain way. There is, no doubt. Its all about finding the shoe that fits according to ones goals =)
This is sad bro thanks Blizzard to not buffing Hunters.
I play MM and i’m already bench for the first release of ToC, my GM and officier literally told me that “We are going to play with a maximum of Dk and Warlock because of Anub”
I am going to be a little mean here and state the obvious, you did this to yourself by agreeing to play it. You were asked and you complied that is on you.
If you don’t want to play a class then just stick to your guns. If this means finding another guild then so be it.
I’d like to second what others said, but also mention that “I didn’t get full BIS” is not an argument that is doing you any favours. Most people don’t get full BIS unless they get fed loot (part of the clique/top performer in loot council), buy gear (GDKP) or play a class/role with relatively little gear competition in their group’s setup.
No one can force you to play a character you don’t want, or a spec you don’t want.
From what you describe, those are not your friends, or even people that respect you, you’re just a tool that they use and abuse. Leave, and don’t look back, find another guild (max clearing guilds are abundant in wotlk)
if you choose to continue to accommodate them, this is your choice, if you chose to stay for months with 0 loot playing a class/spec you hate after all of this, that’s really on you.
I am not advocating for your guild handling the loot council that is by defenition a desidion made not by one person. I’d call this system loot tirany. However raid utility and dps meta is a significant factor. And having at least 1 surv hunter per 25ppl raid is a must. Now demo isn’t a bad choise after all and is as if not more important to have than hunter (if raid has 2 rogues to compensate pulling initial threat), however as you mentioned wasting hunter gear and adding extra caster is an ill desidion. I think they just wanted to get extra melee slot and remove the contester for ARP gear in future phases.
Solution? Either find a new guild or find a new guild for your hunter only.
You felt the need to make a forum post with dubious claims instead of just leaving the guild and joining a different one. You’re also posting on a burner character. Then this gem comes out.
mean play hardcore push guild ofc force play gm sey most out progress i did so aswell past always switch between 4 alt hardcore guild come whit job after why done took break till nexst raid thet it relly
dont want switch then dont play hardcore push guild mean relly hardcore push guild force u play gm sey