time. ppl tend to be paranoid about time wasted.
And after having played wow with this hurry, they watch TV for hours.
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I got kicked from a dungeon for low DPS yesterday, I knew my dps was poor but didn’t think it had too much of an affect. I then downloaded a few addons and was running dungeons with highest DPS.
Getting kicked worked for me, made me try harder
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you kick people and cause them to be angry and hostile then you ask why people are angry and hostile?
Noone else, upon being kicked, will agree with your reasons for kicking them … you do realise that, right.
There is nothing “toxic” or “hostile”, there is just different viewpoints for the same thing.
I do, of course, exclude the type of people that say “sup” instead of “hello” … theyre just human detritus and don’t count for anything.
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Happened to me once in wotlk. I hated the guy who kicked me but after i managed to dps my arcane mage better.
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There is difference between a fun wipefest between 10+ people putting equal effort and a " fun wipefest " because 1-3 people are too lazy to play the game and read up on tactics, spoilers only those 1-3 people are having fun.
I would not mind wiping for over 500 times on a boss when I feel like me, my group and everyone else is putting effort, improving, adapting and synergizing.
However I’d leave from the first 2-3 wipes when there are obvious underperformers who obviously don’t know what to do, especially if it’s a " supposed " curved group then I’d even leave from 1 wipe if it was so obvious that there are people who don’t know what to do.
First week I made a raid, gathered some people, explained every tactic at each boss, went super smooth, no one left on wipes and everyone was having fun, stopped at mekatorque because we figured we’d only be able to clear it with voice chat and not everyone had voice chat including me, but nonetheless people left happy and some even thanking me for a good raid.
Why was there no toxicity in my raid? because I targeted players within range of my own skillset, experience and ability to participate, talked to each player before invites, talked to raid before we started, setup some basic rules and we went.
When people learn to do exactly what I did, I assure you there will 99.9999% of time be no toxicity, angry people and everyone fighting, but let’s be honest people won’t they want to get carried and breeze through raids.
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Just because you do something for fun doesn’t mean you need to put up with the ineptitude of others.
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I think it’s the genre, I grew up on shooters and fighting games, back when Halo was popping, when everyone played Streetfighter so trust me when I say this, y’all don’t know angry and hostile.
People that grew up on MMOs (for lack of a better term) view the game as real so they act accordingly.
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Ok. Some people can make mistakes but they learn from it and won’t make it again.
But some specific individuals are simply braindead and lazy even to watch some guides before fighting the boss, if they don’t know the strat.
They usually die at start and wait for the others to complete the fight. And yes, people with 5k dps or hps usually like to say how bad the whole raid is and that it was not his fault he died. They blame anyone except themselves.
I have no pity on kicking such players out of the raid.
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I think its the circle of life, someone gets angry at someone, who then takes it out on someone else and so on… and so forth…
or people just have less tolerance for bull sh*t, that could be a valid reason too…
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Because their real life is miserable and WoW is the only place where they can achieve anything. So if you get in the way of their virtual accomplishments they get real mad.
Also it’s the anonymous internet so ppl who get bullied all the time get to vent their frustrations on others by being virtual bullies themselves.
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I couldn’t have said it better myself all other post’s on this topic were correct but yours is simple and to the point I feel the same way about how people act on MMOs these days.Most of them are taking this game as a second job in which case they get angry and frustrated in which case it leads to impatience and toxicity and hate for the casual people that play for fun and many people forgot what fun is actually,
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You’re right,this game used to be fun,now there is nothing funny ,they made it like this!last time i enjoyed and had any fun with class was during WoD,and my friendlist has never been empty’er.Yes im angry!
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This^
If you kick ppl based on attitude then you are no different because it all boils down to one’s perspective.
I for one, will not kick provided everyone in that group agrees but the kick system is broken and to fix it. We need to unsub a while for it to take an effect.
See if you can join a guild or a raid group/community with like-minded people. There is little to no anger when playing with people who have social ties with one another. I only really see the hostility in some PUGs and of course BGs, where the adrenaline is raging through everyone’s veins.
Whether it is a pug or guild run, a player is still a person like you or me, regardless.
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not enough sweet soul music in their life…
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Seems to me that a lot of players now play this game out of habit and nothing else. They no longer find WoW as fun as they used to, so they play for the rewards and the rewards alone.
That does something with your mentality. (bad analogy inc) Mowing the lawn is never fun, you get annoyed if you run out of gas, it starts to rain or anything else that stops you in your tracks. All you want is to be done with it so you can enjoy your pretty backyard again.
Plus, as others have mentioned before me, it’s the internet and the anonymity that comes with it. Many use it to vent IRL frustrations over something completely else. (The chain of screaming).
Do an experiment for yourself. Do 9-10 random BGs.
Take note of the chatlog when you win a game vs when you lose a game.
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In a PUG, other players are more likely to be seen as a means to an end. People in PUGs are usually not there for the experience content together, or to learn to together, or to socialize with one another. They didn’t chose one another’s company. They are often only there to get the loot or the achievements, and people who stand in the fire/etc are seen as an obstacle and become the target of resentment.
I don’t disagree with you, I just feel you are looking in the wrong places for the friendly, cooperative experience that you want. There is little social responsibility or accountability in PUGs (you’ll probably not play with any of these people again), it’s all anonymous, so poor behavior is more common. If you play with people you have known for years, you get very little or none of the negativity, because friends are not a means to an end, and people are connected to one another.
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Not really. Some people that I have met in my pugs over the years since WOTLK are still raiding with me and we still keep in touch even x-realms. Surprisingly for you, there were people that would stay on in each raid and progressed until they got the kill. Of course there were also people that would rage and leave after blaming everyone else. Without those people, I wouldn’t have been able to get my curves done over the years as I only run pugs of my own.
Sometimes I was surprised myself as I have seen very skilled and good players but they mainly raid in pugs but not guild runs.
There are friendly people and there are also wipe-is-end-of-the-world ragers all over the place in this game, not just in pugs.