Why are there no Bloods in Dalaran?

I’ve been reading up on all things Thalassian to try and hone my lore knowledge a bit, but I don’t really understand why Blood Elves were banned from the Kirin Tor, or why they’re hated by them?

Short answer:

Long answer:

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Thank you sir

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the reason is that once upon a time a dim witted fool named Aethas Sunreaver was presented with a choice and he choose poorly

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The Bloods betrayed the Kirin Tor by invading the Crips through a portal in one of their hoods.

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Jaina decided to commit a seiries of murder because it was that time of the month and she’s a mentally unstable hack that belongs crucified with the rest of her worthless Kirin Tor kind atop the highest, most vicious peak in the land so her skin and flesh can be pecked at by vultures and the elements for all eternity.

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No. Now go do quests for her in Nazjatar. When she’s not busy holding hands with Theron :rofl:

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She doesn’t hand out any. But thanks for reminding me that Lor’themar belongs nailed to a cross too.

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Legitimately the best answer possible…

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To simply put it horde has been attacking Kirin Tor since classic, then, god knows why, they tried peace in WotLK, the trust being repaid by the horde attacking the magi at Dalaran Crater and at Ambermill, and after that by using Kirin Tor portal network to destroy Theramore and kill Rhonin.

Enough was enough and Kirin Tor finally glimpsed the wisdom of Garithos and let the justice fall which led to the Purge. Unfortunately, years later this was undone because a husk of a former hero got his mind ravaged by naaru for almost 20 years and horde agents were let back in.

But fear not, Blizzard’s story moves in circles and third time’s the charm!

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I think it might have been something to do with Dalaran being in the Alliance historically? I mean that my guess…

Dalaran then kind of dropped the Neutrality ball by allowing the extent leader of the Alliance of Lordaeron forces illegally imprison a foreign head of state of a Neutral but allied nation on the grounds of being a bit racisty

Said Neutral nation then sent envoys to a City State that they had helped build, and even has an Elven name. Some bunch of Vegans got really angry and formed a paramilitary group to try and get them kicked out…

Unsurprisingly the Horde got annoyed at this “We’re Neutral, honest Guv” city taking the proverbial, so Ambermill happened.

Dalaran then abused their Neutrality a further two times, once in active warfare against the Horde, then in using their methods to get an artefact to an Alliance City. A Couple of Horde then used the same methods to steal said artefact from the Alliance city, and Jaina lost her rag, forgot she was the head of the Council of Six, and set loose the paramilitary vegans on a murder and torture spree, before illegally imprisoning one of the Council she was supposed to head.

Before the blood on the streets was even dry, she then proclaimed Dalaran an Alliance Nation, in an act that absolutely ruined Varian Wrynn’s plans that could have ended Garrosh, and potentially the Horde, therefore protracting the Alliance and Horde War, by alienating the Horde Magical Powerhouse nation that actually had opened talks to join the Alliance again and sort their mutual problems out.

When the Alliance finally had enough of Jaina’s childish behaviour, she threw a hissy fit and abandoned the world during the Legion Invasion, in an act of petulance that was astounding. Dalaran, by now under the rule of the Council of Six again, after Jaina had abandoned the city she staged a coup d’état over, went “Actually, lol, we are neutral again” and for some reason unfathomable to anyone with a brain, let the Forsaken, the Horde Nation that actually -did- war on them, to form the body politic in Dalaran.

That bit actually makes no sense. I can’t even argue that. I mean of -all- the Horde Nations, the Forsaken?

Anyway, Dalaran actually did its bit and fought the Legion, unlike Jaina, and earned its neutrality back. Unsurprisingly, the race genocided from its streets were not massively interested in repopulating their bit of the city, nor too were the Mana-Vegans, who in fairness, had terrorised the Alliance citizens as well as murdering Horde civilians.

So essentially, the people who helped build the city, got kicked out because Jaina, and as we all know, Jaina, and Sylvanas can do no wrong in some peoples eyes.

Everyone forgets that Jaina abandoned the Alliance, and Azeroth during its darkest hour, and now she doesn’t care about Dalaran because she has her original playpen to throw her toys out of.

Is an incredibly sarcastic, if not somewhat accurate, version of events.

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In vanilla Silverpine, questing as a Horde, you already begin killing Kirin Tor before any of what you’ve said unfolds to justify the aggression. It is never really explained why other than “they’re human presence”.

Ambermill was attacked for the first time during the same period, after the Forsaken find plans that detail the Kirin Tor will re-activate a dormant leyline in the village. The mages are slaughtered, the Archmage leading them is as well.

It is very vague, but the Horde has been attacking unprovoked first and have continued to do so throughout classic all the way to Cataclysm.

The Horde never faces repercussions for this.

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Pretty sure that Dalaran was part of the Alliance long before Vanilla. In fact it -definitely was. The only Alliance nations who pulled out post second War were Quel’thalas, Gilneas and Stromgarde. Dalaran during Vanilla was Alliance…

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That is absolutely not the case for the Forsaken murders on the Kirin Tor during Vanilla.

It is never stated once that they were killed for being Alliance or that they were even working in coalition with it. At least not during the questing, you only kill them because they’re human, likewise, the Kirin Tor turns hostile because the Forsaken are Undead.

The Alliance of Lordaeron they were allied to ceased to exist by that point.

Do you have a source that states they were attacked for being Alliance?

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Wouldn’t call it “unprovoked”. As quests go, there was little distinction between human factions back then, and its obvious the Forsaken considered the wizards intrusion into their lands as a worrisome offence that demanded some action.
(Much like in other races territory, intrusion faced the same kind of death penalty)


Even if the Forsaken indeed had an overly aggressive approach during most of the questing experience, the Cold War we had in Vanilla already birthed clashes across the whole planet. From both factions.

And while deciding whether Dalaran was part of the Alliance or not, is still subject to debate, the Classic quests point at them being enemies with the Forsaken to say the least.

Having Dalaran at some point be willing to reach the break-even after years of mutual aggression, and be ready to accept the Horde by proxy once the elves that lived in their city took a stance in the factional landscape, isn’t really that of a stretch.

They were attacked because they were human trespassers. Deemed as a threat for the Forsaken faction.
Why were they considered such, might be debatable, but the above presents enough reason to stop this from being something unprovoked.

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Imagine painting Dalaran as the villain when Sylvanas annihilated their most powerful ally and the one who had retaken Dalaran and was using it to shelter refugees :rofl::rofl:

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Which is in fact unprovoked aggression based on the Forsaken’s legitimate paranoia and prejudice.

The Kirin Tor operated under the same ignorance and misconception, believing the Forsaken to be mindless Scourge and when they started murdering their mages, well, their fears were confirmed with good reason.

Debatable that it was their lands. Ambermill belonged to Darius Crowley along with the southern part of the country that wasn’t inhabited by Forsaken, rather Lordaeron’s survivors of whom many turned Worgen.

There was no intrusion in Forsaken land, because it was not Forsaken land.

A debate that has no basis on the stance they were Alliance other than they were allied to the Alliance of Lordaeron before it collapsed, which is hardly an argument to make them Alliance.

When was the Kirin Tor in Silverpine shown to act in co-operation with the Alliance, or shown as members of them?

Again, they were neighbours, at best they trespassed in Gilnean territory which the Forsaken have no jurisdiction over.

I think you are misrepresenting the meaning of unprovoked.

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I will also go on to say that it is rather amusing having later lore tell us that the Forsaken sent emissaries to the Alliance, showing us that they were open to diplomacy, but it was the living who refused it on the basis they were monsters, and killed the ambassadors.

A bit of a dissonance with their portrayal here, when their first approach to the Kirin Tor is immediate extermination.

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Well they never actually said Stormwind killed their ambassadors, just that the ambassadors never made it to the gates of Stormwind. Which could mean anything.

Oh and yeah, this whole plotline can be summed up as:

Sylvanas: Kills Garithos and the remnants of the Alliance of Lordaeron
Alliance: You won’t join us.
Sylvanas: Surprised Pikachu face

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Regardless of how flawed the reasoning is, unprovoked means without provocation.

And its obvious that the Forsaken considered said humans had indeed transgressed some line that demanded they needed to act against them.

Even if it was indeed paranoia, some would argue that looking at it from a wider scope, humans had indeed had a history of “invading” (from a Forsaken point of view) them for the sake of extermination alone. Still, that’s not really the point.

There are a thousand ways to debate whether the Forsaken were right or not, but fact is, that the attack on said humans wasn’t as much of an proactive aggression and more of a reactive one regarding some particular behaviour on the humans part.

Night elves didn’t attack orcs unprovoked. They did so because these orcs were chopping trees.
Here humans started meddling in a place the Forsaken considered of their concern/property, and regardless of how flawed said reasoning might be, that was indeed considered a “provocation” (or something they need to react against) that led to them actively attacking said humans.

Being aggressive isn’t the same as carrying out unprovoked attacks.

When was it not? Are we to assume they weren’t part of the Alliance anymore and at random even if they indeed were up until then?

Thats why i said that said stance is up to debate, as we lack conclusive proof in either way. Even if i’d personally lean on a continuation of their allegiance given the context, and gameplay of that time.

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