They changed it to any time someone leaves you get the debuff a while back and this was just so the people who left after first boss in ara-kara would get debuff.
But they added it to the full game and the whole ara-kara situation was just for like 1 week, yet it has not been reverted or changed since then
The forum is full of tanks and healers complaining about DPS not ādoing their jobāā¦ so this alone proves that DDs have extra responsibilities to do, and the consequences of them not doing them. And those responsibilities are harder than healers and tanks because they have to coordinate with 2 other people in very single run on top of actually doing what they have to do.
And you, that plays tanks/healers should know better than anyone else. Because the difference between a run with DDs that play ābrainless thing you can possibly do in this gameā and DDs that actually do their job is night and day. And you know it.
Alsoā¦ you are naive if you think you can āteachā people how to play. You cant. What you can do is stop spreading this misinformation (aka āFake Newsā) that playing a DD is the āresponsibility free rollā in a M+ dungeon where TEAMWORK is literally the formula for success.
Pressing interrupt on abilities highlighted by plater and not step in swirlies? girl be soooo fr.
Everyone has a kick-cd timer and common sense makes it easy to not be horrible in pugs as DPS, by not dying to avoidable dmg and not ninjapulling ur already doing a great job.
The bar is so so so so low, lets not even pretend being a dps in keys under 12 requires anything more than not mouthbreathing.
It works for me, dps are silly = i go to my next insta invite key.
TEAMWORK which dps have the least active participation in.
So? You forgot to mention at what level. I play DD as well (and tank) and I can acertain that I suck at those 2 rolls compared to the healer roll.
I know I suck because I see what other DDs and tanks do (that play well) when I play healer. And I cannot even get close to that level.
DDs usually press interrupts. What happens is that they step on eachothers interrupts.
Which is something much harder to do than other tasks the healer and tank have. My tasks depend ONLY on me. Nobody else. On the one hand, its more of a responsability. On the other, its easier to pull off because you dont have to coordinate with anyone.
The bar might be low for keys <12. But I could say the same thing for healers and tanks to be fully honest. I have played other rolls in those key levels and oh my god I have seen bad tanks/healers.
Also FYI ānot dying to avidable damage and not ninjapullingā is also something healers and tanks have to do. Its not like playing a Tank and Healer automatically turns you into a Gigachad that does everything perfect.
You still havent seen the obvious: Its night and day between having 3 good DDs and having 3 bad DDs. Across ALL key levels. You cannot deny that. No matter how many pointless explanations you give.
If you like to deplete keys then sure. Plus you are not acheiving anything other than having a sensation of being superior for playing an on-demand roll.
Besides. You painted the ālet them dieā attitude to āeducating the playerbaseā. And now you come with a selfish coment of āit works for meā. Contradictory at best.
Either you āeducateā or you dont.
Sure. Try to do a key with 2 DDs (1 is AFK) of which none of them execute the proper rotation and do 0 kicks. You will see that you will deplete as often as going with a blind healer or a tank that dosent press defensives.
Now try to go with 3 gigachad DDsā¦ you barelly have to heal anything. Packs melt, bosses last for 1 minute, no cast goes throughā¦ I can sit there and DPSā¦ its even boring to do M+ with competent DPS, I dont even have to dispell or off-healā¦ the DDs do it for meā¦ And the tankā¦ he can pull half the dungeon and live. Nothing casts, and packs die before his 8s Shield Wall expires.
That is the thing. Its not our primary responsibility to do it. But we do it anywais.
And when DDs actually play as they should, you notice something very interesting: Healers and tanks dont have to CC or kick. And all those tank busters and avoidable damage simply dosent happen.
But you have to coordinate 3 DDs so they dont step on eachothers kicks and CC to pull that off. That is easier said than doneā¦
Then you are not too late to change your narrative. DDs is not a brain-dead roll. It raises the expectations for what a DD is supposed to do.
Of course. Heard that before. As if YOU play decent enough for those people that are also with you.
Let me put it this way:
If you dont see the difference between 3 gigachad DD and 3 bad DDs, and cant acknowledge that being a gigachad DD is not ābrain dead rollāā¦
Then it can only mean 1 thing and 1 thing only :
Either you are being carried by 4 gigachad players when you have āgood runsā or the problem is YOU when instead of 4 gigachad players you are in a party with 4 āgoodā players.
That is literally the only way you cannot FEEL the importance of DDs in an M+ run.
You can also carry a bad healer or a bad tank by the way. If the 3 DDs have the required skills to pull it offā¦
See where im going with this ? Being a healer/tank dosent make you an automatic gigachad. It is within the realm of possibility to be mediocre and have 3 DDs carry you through the dungeon.
You literally type āinterrupt rotation is xyzā and its done.
Or you do it like me and say āiāll interrupt skullā and the other DPS follow along and do something similar it really isnāt that hard and the bar shouldnt be that low in the first place.
But it is the easiest role by far and it is braindead to be just decent? I donāt understand why youāre so persistent in proving its not when it is.
Thereās 100x more DPS than tank players, I donāt have to be exceptional
No?
Thereās also a difference between GOOD DPS players that know how to time CDs, know when to leave out an interrupt bc i have spell reflect up and 1000 other things.
But you dont need to do all that to be a decent DPS, all it requires to be decent is interrupting and dodging AoE, itās insanely easy and braindead, but maybe we have different standards
Itās 10x harder to do that than carry one half conscious DPS lmao.
Oh for sureā¦ so the professionals that actually do it perfectly just type āinterrupt rotationā on /party and they go on to do a +19ā¦
They absolutely dont have a leader that is calling out each and every interrupt, with a WA that tells the CDs of each spell, and he has to know exactly what each of them does.
And the DDs not only have to execute a perfect DPS rotation but also be in position and react to events that might prevent them from kicking that thing precisely when its time, and they got 1s to react.
Sureā¦
Nahā¦ if you think that is how a real Gigachad DPS does itā¦ im sorryā¦ but you are a mediocre player.
Let me tell you something. If it was so easy people would do it already and you would not be here complaining.
I dont know why you are so persistent in view of overwhelming evidence that contradicts you.
We are talking about skill here. Not popularity.
And it dosent look good for you. Because mediocre tanks and healers that get invited because there is nobody else to do the jobā¦ wellā¦ maybe that is why you have so many depletes.
But you dont need any of that either to be a decent healer or tank. Therefore using your own logic tanks and healers are also braindead rolls.
So what will it be? We trash blizzard for doing 3 brainded rolls. Or we trash DDs thinking healers and tanks are somehow superior ?
And yet, they do it. So DDs have a higher skill cap than healers and tanks.
Oh I read all you said. Its you that has issues with basic reading because you explained nothing. All you did is repeat the same baseless claim 10 times.
All you did is claim āDPS are braindedā because you say so. And then went on to repeat that over and over again. ALL the justifications you gave can 100% be applied to tanks and healers as well. So its easy to debunk those justifications because that would make Tanks and Healers braindead as well. Not just the DPS.
Its OK to say you were wrong. Ive done that plenty of times before.
IMO heĀ“s just another troll not worth our time or attention, as this isnĀ“t the first time his go-to argument upon not being agreed with was to go ad hominem and insult intelligence or reading comprehension while himself merely regurgitating the same nonsense over and over, and it probably wonĀ“t be the last
The healers are like the lion tamers in circus holding back dps, atleast thats what they always say when something goes wrong that it was healers fault
I said DPS is the easiest class (which it is), it also requires the least effort to be useful on (which is true) and itās easier to carry a bad dps than a bad healer/tank (which is true again) if thats ānonsenseā to you, then thereās no helping you.
good luck in life!