Why cant the player side with the outright "evil" side?

Im gonna save you decyphering my biasis:
Its no secret- i wonna play as an antihero for example.

With that being said, why are we limited by these factions of horde and alliance which are supposedly morally gray ? Faction barely even plays a role anymore, after the next patch we also can que together regardless.

I truly believe WoWs next step is reworking how factions work.
Focusing on individualism way more.

And while we can have double agent factions like the Pandas
I think its equally cool to have factionless - anty- hero “faction” in other words be able to play characters of questionable morality, who under certain circumstance can side with the rest of the playerbase.

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How would that play out in practice?
What are these “anti heroes” story?

If they do not belong to any faction, how and who brings them through the story and why?

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Furries are evil you can play them.

You’d have to forego the ability to res. We get that because we’re heroes and the powers that be feel our time on Azeroth cannot be limited by such trivial inconveniences as mortality.

I’d genuinely love to have vampire alt. Escaped into the world from Revendreth during Shadowlands, pure evil with no morals (unless cursed by gypsies to have a soul), shunned by both factions, but free to enter any city.

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The Jailor wins, your PC hard drive is formatted removing everything.

Im not a furry.
And i dont usually report people for their opinions but since u wonna troll.
Catch this report.

I mean how are factions playing right now ? the only thing u cant do with the horde is go into their cities and use their npcs.
You can group up for any content with them, have a guild/communities.
Hell you can use Dalaran potion to speak to them too.
Having a proper anty-hero races in my imagination could go 2 ways:

  • Literal hardmode, you cant enter cities, you’re camping outside, using newly added communities of NPCs for your gear repairs/vendoring buying and selling. Auction House would work merged though- its unevitable.
    You can occasionally group with the “goodies” for raiding and dungeons under the premise of “common interrest”.
    You can infultrate cities in a disguise to cover up for certain functionality issues but its isnt a necessity.

  • It simply plays the same way. Lore-wise you’re very disliked and untrusty though. Just like warlocks and DKs and Demon Hunters are.

PvP is never cannon. Right now as we speak i am in WSG as a horde, though i am alliance.
So it doesnt matter how u impliment it for bgs and arenas.

In open world PvP though- everyone can attack you unless you’re “disguised”.
We can expland on what “disguised” means of course, like you can pick a faction you’re infultrating once a week or something like that. I slap this very abstract concept just for the fun of it.
It doesnt have to be this at all or be a thing at all.

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Think that’s more of a solo RPG thing than an MMO.

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First of all, you can’t because they don’t want you playing the bad guy. The story does not revolve around you, it revolves around the celebrities of Azeroth and you are sort of like an errand boy for them that gets none of the credit. Now these guys out-good each other so much that the story of the game is a total mess. A crapfest of do-gooders. And even when they aren’t good, like Elsa Proudmoore, they are still good, you know?

Now to play an evil faction you’d need two things. A third faction and infinite patience. Look at the Horde. They weren’t really evil, they just had some bad leaders and when I say bad I’m not talking about evil, just badly written. And what did they get for it? A total crap story and eventually no story since they have been all but removed from the game story for an expansion and still going. You think you got the patience to put up with that? Or worse?

And a third faction? Hard to do, not from a technical perspective, could probably be done, but I don’t think they want to. And given the writing that’s been torturing this game for some time, I don’t think they can.

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It’s called horde.

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You’re not entirely wrong here.

I think they attempted to make the Horde more on the evil side but the community outrage was so strong they had to patch things up and swiftly removed all characters that had dark inclinations.

The reality is most players want to be good. It’s not all on Blizzard here.

A third faction of outcasts is a popular suggestion but will it be worth the resources invested?

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The Horde as an entity are evil. Blizzard is the serial killers mum saying he’s a good boy at heart.

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At its origins, yes.

The current Horde is not evil. None of the races on the roster are evil, with the exception of the Forsaken who are, arguably, evil.

I’d also enjoy that, in my mind, I still serve my master, Nzoth, even if it’s just a cosmetic feature when I’m traveling across BFA zones.

the real reason is not enough people, as you can notice, they are slowly merging alliance and horde because of that.

I’m no theory-crafter, but would it be a surprise if they rebuilt Lordaeron and made it a neutral city? Since Dalaran is gone now…

From both lore and game-design point of views, an “evil” faction would need to have entirely new quests that are mutually exclusive to the ones available to the “good” factions. The reasons why that evil faction would even want to go into the same raids and kill the bosses would have to be founded on entirely new ideas as well, they wouldn’t be doing it to save the world.

Even in the early expansions where Horde and Alliance had different quests, Blizzard had come out (I need to find that blue post) and said that it was not worth it from a development point-of-view to create so many quests that only one of the two factions can interact with; so the expansions from Cataclysm and thereafter had 95%-99% of quests and content available for both factions.

The last time they did that was with the Order Hall campaigns in Legion. How many people actually did more than 1 or 2 of the total 12?

Not to mention that the idea of having 2 opposite reputations like Scryers and Aldor, Frenzyheart and Oracle, Puny Titans and Awesome Old Gods were not viewed favorably by the players.

Erm, excuse me?

Anyway, silly idea for an MMO and WoW in general. If you want to play that way you can go and RP but I’d guess you’d soon get bored.

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I am a furry and I am not evil
As Alessthra said

If I was given the option I would have stayed a champion of the Scourge,

You’re playing Alliance, what more do you want? :dracthyr_hehe_animated: