With an automatic group finder, how can you determine if the player is ready for the challenge? Would you be happy if half of your team got no idea about the dungeon, just joining because they’ve got the required ilevel thus ruining your key?
So you admit the reason why you don’t want dungeon finder is because you want to exclude people from the content who aren’t l33t enough, even if they’re still learning.
“Ready for the challenge” = ALL CASUAL SCRUBS KEEP OUT
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Yes.
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Although honestly; I still wouldn’t do M+.
Nothing about that system appeals to me.
But with a queue system, at least I’d do some Mythic 0’s some time.
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Everyone who don’t want to do at least a bit of effort to join my key, yes. Go away.
Also I’m not a fan of wipefests.
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So what you’re advocating for is the vetting process. That’s great, you can keep using LFG tool to keep those casual scrubs out of your group. All that we’re asking for is the ability to queue up for random groups so we don’t have to deal with elitist pricks rejecting our applications for hours. It’s crazy that those of us without many friends or guilds need to go through a freaking job application process each time we play the game if we want to do mythic dungeons.
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Same reason we can’t queue for Normal raids. To appease a very vocal crowd that get angry by the notion that a randomly assembled group can do something they did with… a randomly assembled group…
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i don’t see the logic behind this, there are barely any chinese goldsellers anymore you know. People can buy wow tokens from blizz and sell those for gold. A queue is not going to do anything against that as boosts still will happen, and even if it did blizz will not crack down on their own income lol
Why do people assume that Mythic dungeons being queueable would allow them to do them reliably, successfully and effortlessly?
When we had challenging heroic dungeons early in Cataclysm, anyone not playing well, not having gear, or even playing a desirable class got kicked from the dungeon. This would be the same now. There would still be a selection process, because nobody wants to spend two hours in a mythic dungeon because someone causes wipes or slows down the run.
People even did this in WotLK and later expansions when heroics were mandatory for raiders. It also happens in Timewalking dungeons sometimes.
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I would laugh so much while watching M+10 random dungeon finder group. No BL, no rogs, a disc priest healer on a grievous week. That would be fun to watch for 3 hours till they give up.
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These elite players in this thread seem to get angry at the suggestion that casual players without the right connections should be able to access mythic content through dungeon finder. It really makes you wonder about their motives.
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you must have played on a absolutely horrible server then, i never had any of those problems during cata or wotlk
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No one asks for guarenteed sucsess-runns - and not at all for doing anything effortlessly.
They want the same level of difficulty, just with a LFD tool
No, that isn’t the reason. As we have seen with LFR, even when the content is very watered down and extremely accessible, the people who it is for will still ask for nerfs. And if it isn’t a complete pushover, the people it is designed for will not even do it (see queue times for Azshara LFR). But if it’s a complete pushover, the same people ask for more challenging content that can be queued for.
Normal raids are easier than LFR because there is a minimal amount of pre-screening involved. If LFR had a second difficulty (“LFR Pro”), it would have the same issues as the already existing LFR, just further magnified. Getting into a normal EP raid is not hard, if you don’t expect to get into a group that clears it in an hour.
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I remember in early Cata some groups of mine failed and disbanded. It was a learning experience. This kind of challenge is what I WANT to be able to access easily through dungeon finder.
This isn’t really the case tbh. You can queue for the ‘mythic’ difficulty stuff but literally no one does that, so while technically true in reality you will never get a group that way. Pugging the difficult stuff is usually done similar to WoW; joining groups manually.
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The point is that the OPTION exists to queue for it. And if you’re comparing Mythic 0 with the hardest content in FXIV then you’re delusional. I guarantee you people will queue for basic mythic dungeons if the option exists.
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Then why not stay there ?
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The only reason I’m here is to play Classic for a bit for nostalgia, but while here I may make it clear one of the reasons why lots of casuals like me have quit retail WoW because they made it too exclusive. Hopefully Blizzard gets the message.
The big irony is that Blizzard wanted to make content more accessible to casuals by implementing dungeon finder, but then did a complete turnaround and tried to trick us by only letting us queue for the fake facroll versions. We want the real thing.
Cataclysm already had cross-server queues for heroic dungeons. It was very frequent in Cataclysm, and really, understandably so. Hard, queueable heroics were generally fairly un-fun for me and I completely stopped healing in random groups for most of that expansion.
I realize that there are exceptions (those suffering from social anxiety), but I feel that if someone is not willing to put in the minimal effort required to open the LFG tool and send a request to a group for the dungeon they want to run, it is also likely that they never made an attempt to inform themselves about boss mechanics/etc. You see this in LFR already, and no, I don’t believe that everyone in LFR suffers from social anxiety.
I’m not opposed to M0 being queueable. I just don’t agree that it’s needed or would even be used a lot. I I also don’t feel it makes much sense to make M+ dungeons queueable. The game’s community at large has not benefited from all the anonymity introduced over the years, and this would be another step toward making social interactions between players in this MMO unnecessary. Anonymity and lack of social accountability are responsible for a lot of ugly behavior.
In both Legion and in BFA I offered to do low M+ with people who would like to do them but shy away from utilizing the group finder. I’ve seen others do the same. But these offers are almost never taken, unless it’s a free +10 or higher boost.
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yes i know it had cross server queues. but nothing ever happened to me like you described. no matter what role i filled in.
The only thing i remember was people not liking certain dungeons and not wanting the deserter debuff so they went afk and told people to kick them.
The only people i ever saw kicked besides that were either extremely toxic or people that failed the same tactics like 10 times ina row and still not understanding what was going on, and not willing to listen to explanations either