Why Cataclysm was a failure

Cata ignored the positive aspect of things

No flying mounts. Yes walking everywhere is annoying. But we need it, to have an alive world.

No LFG. Yes, finding group is tedious. But we need it, to be more connected.

Quests to simple and annoying , like killing 20 boars. Yes but we need it, to group with other people.

Rotations boring just 1 button. Yes but we need it, to talk with other people.

Gear too simple. Yes but we need it, to not rely on gearscore.

You think you dont, but you do.

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I hope this is a troll post.

The world does feel alive? Are you on a Low - Medium pop server?

And we saw how that went in Wrath. Cata isn’t Vanilla or Tbc, and for once, that’s a good thing.

Nope, this was one of the worst things about Vanilla

Gearing is still simple, wdym?

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Obvious troll thread, awful. Are you even trying?

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Very funny post. Luckily you have ERA or Hardcore if you want that.

I wonder why Cataclysm have x100 the players than ERA and x4 the players of SoD.

It’s almost like Cata is a good expansion? Which it always was, people just have bad memories or negative bias. The Pros are way better than the Cons in Cata. This was the first time Blizzard tried innovating because they were the Top Dog and Cata shows this. Some ideas failed but a lot of the best systems to this day in Retail and in FF14 is because of Cataclysm.

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I don’t agree with all your points, but this one had me thinking. I was actually thinking how flying while questing is actually detrimental to the experience.

Yes flying is convenient, and fast. But i do think the questing would have been more impactful if we were grounded at least until 85, possibly even at 85. The storyline lose its sense of dread and epicness when i can just pop a flying mount, kill my target and fly away.

That being said, deepholm has been design with flying in mind. Some area are not accessible without a flying mount. But Hyjal, Uldum an Highlands could have been no flying until 85.

My personal favorite was the Aviana’s feather from Warlords of Draenor. With a 10 minutes cooldown, it was very convinient to get around without completely breaking the game the way flying mounts do.

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Hyjal would have been a nightmare without flying, you would have to take such massive detours to get to anywhere with how the roads there are designed.

“inv x class pumper”
“yo”
Ah yes, gotta love that sense of community.

I do however agree that flying was a mistake and never should have been implemented.

I´m usually against lfd but i rather use lfd than deal with the pissfest that is Gehennas lfg channel or Gehennas people in general.

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Cata was never a failure , enjoyed it back then , enjoying it now!
Failure that your biased mind is imagining in an online game like WoW = end of the company!
so when people played cata till the end and will play it till then end , it means you are completely wrong!
and as mentioned by fellow gamers up here . you are 1000% welcome to go and play era all day long if u want alive on the ground zones and if u have 4 hours to make a raid!
and clear your mind from 10 years old opinions!

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Just play era

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No idea what the point is. Was this just a Cata vs Vanilla post ? Everything here was implemented BEFORE Cata came. Wheres your crying regarding tbc/wrath that actually implemented these ?

No more than the stonetalon mountains, the thousand needles or the western plaguelands. Those areas too demand that you ride around mountains and cliffs to get to your objective. And those zones have far less flight points to speed up your travel.

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Flying mounts shouldn’t have to be introduced as something we always use in the world.
It removes the immersion and like you said epic feeling.

Flying in my head could be a complement to flying path between towns.
Or just have CD on flying mounts. Horses do get tired :stuck_out_tongue:

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If it was a failure why is it so much more popular than retail and every other classic expansion so far?

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They need their occasional practice to achieve the ultimate dopamine hit :sunglasses:

Is it ?
I’m genuinely curious :smiley:
They have “somewhat” released the “numbers” overall. Like just total sub, regardless if many of them was in retail/sod/Classic.

Shadowlands butchered the subs soooo hard, it was insane to see. PreachGaming should have a video or short on it.

Yeah, every server is packed full and I had to wait in a 400 person queue on a wednesday.

I’m enjoying

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Disagree. My guild and i are having a blast. All your points are just subjective opinions.

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Berny agree 100%. No flying, no lfg, and weird gear where lower item level stuff are still stronger - and thus throwing gear score into the wind.

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