I want to enjoy my TBC in a way, that makes you experience far less enjoyable, if you are against this you are simply opposing my own way of enjoying TBC. How dare you?! How dare you?!
Boost is horrible for so many reasons.
It’s not great for the community, if you are so casual that you can’t even put the time into level to the level cap, then the game likely isn’t for you. It’s not making it feel more alive, it’s making huge portion of the world less alive (You know all those people who use boosts instead of actually populating the vast world and leveling through it?).
The majority of the boosts will be used by bots, that’s a simply a fact. So the bot argument ain’t a strawman, sorry if you don’t like facts. If Blizzard starts to ban more bots during TBC, it’ll also increase their profits as these will then be replaced by new boosted toons. The bots will make back the cost in no time, you do know they can just farm Battle.net Balance on retail and use it to pay for services and such?
Blizzard using the money to improve the game? Are you truly that naive? The same company that just laid off around 200 people again and gave their CEO 200 million dollar bonus? Wow.
Not having boosts doesn’t punish anyone. There’s absolutely no need for someone to use a boost, if they are actually intending to truly play the game. Which I highly doubt, if you can’t level to max during prepatch or during launch from 1 to 70, you likely wouldn’t have stuck around long anyway.
Blizzard agrees with a boost? You are saying like it’s a good thing? Again 200 million in bonuses, while laying off people. Hello?
None of your points are particularly good. It all boils down to appeasing people who desire to skip a core portion of the game due to being lazy and do not exactly come across as people who’d stick around for long anyway. They’d simply bail as soon as something they consider tedious comes their way in the end game.
If people don’t have time to level 1-58 (which is a garbage excuse) they don’t have time for TBC at all. EVERYTHING in TBC is very time consuming… Raid attunements, heroic dungeon attunements, all the (epic) quests, obtaining gold for your epic flying… EVERYTHING… so don’t use this garbage as an excuse to justify ppl needs of a boost
That is a simple assumption, fact is when Blizzard comes out with numbers in a year and says: 10k bot accounts used boost, 1k non-bot accounts used boost.
Companies lay off and hire people every single day in every part of the world. CEO is the brain of the company and acts in behalf of it. His job is NOT keeping employees who dont have work to do, charity is not his job. CEO is head of private company responsible to its owners. Company owners can give any bonus to CEO, if they think he is worth that much and that is their decision, not yours or mine or any of us consumers. If they want to give him billion $ a month, it is their will and their money. All we can is care about our own wallet.
As I said in my original post, I agree that the argument of keeping store out of classic is a good argument against it.
My original post was mainly against those who try to push that this ruins people’s experiences of classic therefore affects them which I majorly disagree with
But yes the store touching classic is concerning for its future. Classic could be a experiment for them later down the line providing they keep it in good faith.
By excluding things
For example. Don’t release the lfg system into WoTLK, don’t release LFR in cataclysm. Don’t implement PvP scaling in legion. Don’t prune in WoD legion or BFA.
If they want to test the success of retail WoW. Test the game without introducing any of the things that coulda driven people away and see what retail v classic would actually result in.
Maybe even test the game without cross realm play. Heck it. They could really push the bars if they actually rallied. And it’d be different without pruning.
They could then if classic turns out to be the successful option without these added systems and keeping WoW on its old philosophy… cut retail and keep WoW to its original form.
If not maintain both and hold 2 large halves of the playerbase
If the remove the pruning there’s no need to add borrowed power. They can simply take some of the stuff from the borrowed powers and baseline it into the class to add to it over the expansions. Such as artifact abilities being baseline tools.
Etc etc. They could rid the borrowed power systems with the power of hindsight realistically.
Could that ever happen ye. Is it likely no but if classic keeps a strong playerbase they’d be dumb to just xollasp the game or try and launch these features identical to what they were… They could double down on holding onto the vanilla fanbase.
Pretty much what I tried to do as well. Have a civil talk about it and did I get constructive critisism? Taking your replies from my thread, let’s see:
Yes very constructive, don’t smell any sarcasm at all.
Yeah, what I said.
People have been accusing me for only being nice to those who only agreed with my topic and that I sit in some echo chamber, right. Far from the truth. Only takes a tiny bit in interest and energy to scroll through the posts and check.
Allow me to say, by making your own post about how pro boost you are, which Blizz will gladly stand behind, I fail to see how making your biased thread to be any better. So far I did not see a single one saying like “dude we did not need another same topic” and all that I got. So enjoy trying to chase your echo chamber.
58 boost was not in the old TBC back in 2007
What’s stopping people from playing up any toons now if they are so keen on TBC?
It will be quite faster once pre patch comes to level up. Atleast 30%.
But no people want to sit with their arms crossed and wait for a boost?
Boost is a pay2skip, period. Blizz saw a cash grab chance and went for it.
Will make Blizz more money sure, but do we get anything from it, like them adding GM’s who can help us reporting the bots etc? Would only take GM a second to notice. Answer is (most likely) no.
Those who did not play Classic at all so the only toon they will have is a poor lvl 58 without any gold, profession, profession alts and so on. And you really think they will have a good time coming into TBC when those who acually did put in time an effort into this, who got gold, profession alts and all that? This smells Retail mentality long way.
The boost is maybe good and convenient for us who played Classic as we might wanna have another profession alt (cloth/transmute CD etc) or maybe even reroll their main but atleast we did put in the work before. The argument I mostly hear is “so the new players can play”.
Well everything else is in my thread.
Lastly: So for someone who care about a game’s integrity and have concerns about it, how can that be a bad thing? I never namecalled anyone and left the insults and sarcasm out (until now for the first time to you), too bad the door did not swing both ways here.
Ahh thanks for the confirmation Majesty. Makes sence now and I feel kinda silly trying to make my point in some essay about these QoL features to him ^^
Edit: Typos. English is not my native language.
Regardless of whether the boost exists or not bots are an issue in both Retail and current Classic. I imagine botting will continue to be an issue in TBC Classic regardless of whether or not this boost exists.
I’m not sure how but they need to get better at dealing with bots.
I have played a lot of MMOs over the years, and I can tell you this:
WoW does a good job dealing with bots.
I always have a little laugh when I read complaints about the situation in WoW, because I know what a REALLY bot-infested MMO, without effective means against them, feels like.
Let’s put it this way:
People can farm in WoW. There are Mobs available for players to kill, there are herbs/minerals to mine, and the chat is actually readable
Yes, it is, but keep in mind, Blizzard has to be ABSOLUETELY SURE they banhammer only actual bots. Because as bad as complaints about bots are, they are as nothing compared to the backlash when false positives lead to large numbers of innocent players aka. PAYING CUSTOMERS getting banned.
And this isn’t as easy as it sounds:
Players do repetitive things as well (like farming or grinding)
Bot developers aren’t stupid and try to introduce random patterns in bots behaviors
Every Reporting function in the history gaming is also being abused to report innocents for various reasons
Getting them help to be 58lvl after lets say a ban is making bot situation much worse
58lvl bot will be much more efficient to make gold, hurt the economy and make legitimate farming usless
Multiply that by 1.000 of the bots and you will have enormous deflation of gold
You still think 58 boost will not change a thing for worse about bots?
I do not think the boost will make any difference to botting. All removing the boost will do is punish players who would otherwise be able to pick up TBC and play.
Bots have to level to 55+ to start being worth it and make golds efficiently.
During that time they have a huge chance to be reported by the players while they did 0 profit.
If they can instant skip this part to reach the point where they start to be immediatly effective it’ll have a huge impact.
Even if the boost cost 60$ it’ll be better for them than taking the risk to generate 0 gold & waste an account/time. Botting is about golds/hours on a short lifetime. Boost greatly help here.
Botters will bot.
With or without boost. I do not believe there will be more or less with the boost.
To know if you have a point you need to know how much a bot can earn after a certain investment in time vs cost of boost and less investment in time.
But the bottem line is. Most players will never bot and they need to be able to enjoy their boost.
If you do the math you can see bots will be much more efficietn with 58 lvl boost
On reddit you can see following calculation:
To level 1-58lvl bot need on average 200 hours while earning 1g/hr
With boost 58lvl: they need 0 hours and can start allrdy to do 100g/hr
for 10.000 bots without boost it is 2m gold with boost it is 200m gold
That is 198m fresh gold to deflate economy
Boters will abuse this boost as hard as they can and will love it
15$ = 1.000 gold (for gold sellers)
30.000$ if you have to level to 58
3.000.000$ with boost
Entry fee for bots will be nothing if you calculate how much they will earn more with boost
While they level you have time to catch them, with boost you are giving them steroid to pump as much as they can until being caught and damage is done
