No playable core race has even become neutral. Neither had its starting zones. This would create an ugly precedence nobody wants just because the vocal high elf fans complain until they get what they want.
Falconwing Square is already reclaimed so there isn’t much work needed for that. Stop asking for what does not belong to you at all.
High Elves are also children of Quel’Thelas. Wanting to reclaim their home is a strong desire and not a wrong one.
There are different types of people within the same race that are their own people and faction. Look at the Trolls. Dark Trolls - Frost Trolls - Sand Trolls - Jungle Trolls.
Orcs to. Greenskins - Maghar - Fel Orcs - Dragonmaw - Bleeding Hollow and more.
High Elves are seperate to Blood Elves. One of the things High Elves have in common with Dwarves is their love for nature. I don’t really have much skin in the game anyway. They are consistent in their advocacy for High Elves. Just much have to be done to show the differences between High Elves and Blood Elves.
Blood Elves have created stereotypes of being magic junkies. But this is not valid for High Elves.
Yes it is. They are exiles who chose humans over other elves. They are traitor filth and deserve no sympathy.
All Orcs that weren’t killed by Thrall loyalist fanatics are part of the playable Horde.
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Wrong. They made a choice to not follow the Blood Elves. A choice that was castastrophic for the Blood Elves.
High Elves remained true to what they always was.
The Dragonmaw chose their fate when they followed Garrosh. As did Nazgrim the Korkron and others.
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Their choice was to champion humanity while Quel’thalas was suffering. They sold out their own people for human approval.
No thrall is in the wrong and he must die for genociding the Orcs instead of supporting them to get rid of the alliance.
When the Blood Elves turned against all things High Elves. They were no longer “their people”.
High Elves are more closely tied to Dwarves.
Without Thrall. The Horde will have no leadership.
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Thrall is not the Horde. Never been. Any moment he could have saved his people but he always ends up killing other orcs. Traitor by the book.
No. Vereesa and Alleria are slaves of Turalyon now.
Thrall led the Horde to Kalimdor. Saved the Tauren from the Centaur. Done so much for the Horde that his legacy has been cemented.
For some reason the Windrunner sister find human husbands and spawn half elve offspring.
Alleria leads the Purple Blood Elves now. With how Lorthemar treated her any retaliation could be tricky. The Alliance should not brake the peace.
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Vereesa will outlive her kids. That is waht you get when marrying a human.
They have no claim. They refused to do what was needed for their species to survive. They ran away and started doing it with humans. Whatever claim they had went bye-bye back then.
Ask Blizzard that one. Look up my posts if you want I found it extremely stupid that a horde player, a player not a faction has any interest there aside Blizzard making it so cause they were too lazy to give us an equivalent. It would have been great that instead of saving the forest we would have helped the Forsaken rebuild, but Blizzard does not deem us as important as the nelfs, or the Alliance for that matter. Or at lest that’s the feeling I get after I got cohersed into liberating two alliance cities I have no business being in or caring about.
Let’s cut the crap. Ok? I know how this goes. It goes the same way it went with Velfs and their customization options, how we got from there to here. Let’s say that happens, next expansion you’ll be demanding the Horde be removed from Silvermoon.
But even if that wasn’t the case, which it is. Why does the Horde have to split a city in half for you? In the end Gilneas and Blahblahnelf town don’t do that? They simpy allow Hordes to be there without being hostile. No services, nothing else. But somehow the Horde is expected to have half of it’s city turned into an Alliance hub and you have the balls to come here and act like it’s a fair trade. I think not.
What point are you trying to make here?
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Alliance players usually ignore they needed Dalaran to get through the magical addiction.
Only the Windrunner sisters married and birthed half elf offspring. There is still very much a pureblood High Elf population.
Choosing not to follow the Blood Elves the schism among their species does NOT invalidate their claim on their home.
The Horde believe that they can conquer everything they desire. Even in Warlords of Draenor. Grommash Hellscream the Warchief of the Iron Horde has dreams of conquest “We will never be slaves, But we will be conquerers”.
The High Elf people have yet to make their claim on their former homelands.
There is a danger/possibility of the Purple Blood Elves trying to use this as an opportunity to strike back against Lorthemar. But they should still have close kinship and memories with the Blood ELves.
There are neutral cities and hubs that are not faction specific. But I think this is an appeal to the “neutral” playerbase. Cross-faction gameplay have had a mixed response. Some players refuse to play with people of the other faction while others do not care.
Incorrect.
Faction neutral cities was a new move. While I admire their willingness to try and do something new. Not everything will be received positively.
It is like the Night Elves who were once a savage people. Have now submitted to the Horde. Genociding their people and burning Teldrassil so they invite Horde among them? What is to stop Horde players from attacking Alliance players? or the NPCs.
To clarify. I simply observe conversations made about High Elf membership into the Alliance.
Should the scattered High Elf people become reunited. Where will they go? They had a home once. Quel’Thelas. Blood Elf domination of their home does not mean they do not have a claim there. But the High Elves alone may not be able to make a stake on that claim.
How can you steal something that you already own? High Elves and Blood Elves have a legitimate claim on Quel’Thelas.
As for the other point. There is growth after the war. With the rebuilding of Stromgarde the humans can FINALLY start to recover. The people of Lordaeron are a fallen kingdom. As their Kingdom is in ruins and not likely to be rebuilt and the line of Menethil is gone. Death is the end for normal races but Undeath and Necromancy is unnatural. Regardless of it is acceptable among the Horde.
So. Either the living Lordaereons accept the death of their nations as a people OR find a way to rebuild - recover from their loss. The Forsaken can not make any claim of being Lordaereons what they once was has been lost when they became Scourge.
Taelia Fordragon and other Lordaereons that fled to Kul Tirans are remnants, There were remnants of Lordaereons that fled to Stormwind.
Lordaereon blood still exists. In time their numbers and strength could grow, They could crown a new King or royalty. Even if the Horde and their Undead rebuilds the ruins of Lordaeron it will NOT be Lordaeron.
How much of the Lordaeron Undead even remain? Through war and permanent death - rot and decay. Forsaken have waged war on humans of all Kingdoms spreading the curse of Undeath.
If the Lordaereon people can be brought back from extinction then they will need a place or a new home and be safeguarded from the Undead until they can defend themselves. Some of the people of Lordaeron are taking refuge in now Alliance cities.
There is no claim. There are almost no high elves left. Silvermoon was still being fought over when the High Elves refused to comply with the Silvermoon leadership, electing to leave but not only, rather joining in with a faction that directly tried to sabotage the efforts of the Belfs, not the Horde, just the belfs to reclaim their territory which they did. Silvermoon is under Blood Elf control. The High Elves had no hand in that, therefore there is no claim.
And what you are talking about here isn’t claim, but rather Alliance access. If the Helfs wanted, they could be allowed to rejoin the Belfs provided they adhered to the belf political rules, but that’s the point. You don’t want them to, you want them to adhere to the Alliance one. So that’s what we are really talking about here.
Actually I have no problem playing cross faction. I got buddies who play dumb gnomes and goats , but that’s just gameplay stuff, the lore part is what bothers me.
Those are still not neutral. There’s no trace of the Horde in those cities. None. All they have to do is turn the guards hostile and it was like the Horde was never there. We are talking about something else here.
Again, ask Blizzard that. I still have no idea what the hell I’m doing helping dragons help the nelfs plant trees. No kidding. Blizzard hasn’t even bothered to even try and sell Horde players this story line. It’s as if we don’t even exist.
Yeah, cause there is no claim.
But they don’t. As explained above.
Says you. The zobies have built themselves quite a kindgom before Blizzard decided to give into the whining and pull out the villain bat and hammer Sylvnas.
I have nothing against that. Again, I tell you to look up my posts, I’ve suggested and support the rebuilding of Human Kingdoms. In fact one of the things I’m looking forward to in the next expansion is the human presence in there. But we are talking about something else here. Because the Forsaken do not pretend to be humans of Lordaeron, that’s why they renamed the city and themselves.
On the other hand you are coming here trying to tell me that the only way for some race that isn’t even playable to exist is by taking over half the Belf city and that’s simply not true. Silvermoon belongs to the Belfs and no one else. There is no debate here.
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There are High Elf populations although they are few in number they can recover. The Tauren were and still are few in number but are a part of the Horde and growing.
A schism is a seperation of sorts among a people or organisation. There will never again be that unity. Blood Elves turned their backs on everything that was once High Elves. Those that remained stay true to that and walk a different path. Not tainted by magic addiction and more. Just as the Greenskin Orcs were tainted by the blood of Mannaroth.
Other than the Alliance how will the High Elves return to Quel’Thelas? What is there to stop Blood Elves from oppressing them?
It is mostly the friendship of the Wildhammer Dwarves but since Varian’s creation of the Council of three hammers. This would have to be thought out.
A strong High Elf people could be a boon to the world as a whole. Not just the Alliance.
Strange to agree with a Forsaken. Once there was a community “The Alliance defence force” that was a comunity place for PvP and back up against Horde player armies that trespass on Alliance territory.
But now they have Horde among their ranks. Cross-faction. Sigh.
Horde banners flying within the Night Elves new city will be too much of a sign of being a conquered race.
Alliance players can not walk into Thunder Bluff - Orgrimmar without being immediately attacked as a tresspasser.
It is an easy sell actually. Many many Horde players disagreed with the Horde burning defenceless civilians alive. Some even fled to the Alliance. Like Varok Saurfang. Had they know will the Horde army have marched?
Trying to help Night Elves could be some kind of “atonement” by Horde players. Sorry we burned your tree, kind of thing.
Do you mean Zombies? The Undead created Undercity. It’s a plague ridden swamp but okay.
They are Undead and no longer people of Lordaeron. Yet something could still be done. Fordragon’s could be something to unite the scattered Lordaereons. Lordaereons had their own Paladin order as well. But Blizzard ignores the living of Lordaeron for the Undead.
High Elves do exist within the World of Warcraft. They will need a place to recover - rebuild - replenish their numbers economy etc…
Similar to how the Gilneans given time will recover as a people. Immediately rebuilding their city upon their return.
They can recover what? They have been doing it with humans. That’s not what I would call the road to recovery when we are talking about a race that has been reduced to 2 or 3 digits.
And blood elves did what they had to, to survive. The story of the rivalry between the belfs and the helfs is terrible. The helfs have been to date just an anti-belf device that made no sense what so ever. The belfs did not commit some unthinkable atrocity, they simply consumed magic the way they could. The helfs got upset over them chugging up some mana worms and ran to the humans, funny how that works, I mean belfs are evil for doing that but humans are just fine when they eat a chicken or something. And by the way, the helfs also suffered from magic crack addiction, but they got their fix from magic objects provided by human daddy. Anyway, dumb story. The helfs should have been removed a long time ago, especially after velfs were added.
But hey if the Alliance wants to be the helf’s daddy, they can continue that relationship in Alliance lands, like they used to. Again you must think the belfs are really stupid if they let the Alliance in like that. Makes no sense what so ever, especially for a handful of helfs.
But giving half of the belfs city to the Alliance isn’t a sign of being conquered. Double standards.
And even more Horde players are annoyed at the crappy story and putting us through MoP 2. That’s my gripe. Not that I want to atone to some nelf or whatever. And I don’t like the game assigning guilt to me.
Yeah, I misspelled zombies. Crap. Anyway, plague ridden swamp, that’s their paradise. It would be pretty messed up if the Undercity was full of flowers and sunshine.
And if Blizzard insists one continuing this charade with helfs, which they don’t seem to given the attention helfs have gotten in the last expansions, I don’t even remember the last time they were even mentioned, they can replenish their numbers where they have been doing it, in human lands.
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Many High Elves do not follow the Windrunner sisters in the interspecies romances.
They are few in number but the exact numbers are unknown. But yes they can recover.
In North Rend they are numerous enough to equal the Blood Elf forces. In Legion when Surumar was retaken the High Elves stood with them among the Blood Elf and Night Elf forces.
They still have a presence within the World of Warcraft. How they interact with or feel about the Purple Blood Elves joining the Alliance is something else.
The funny thing is that High Elves have a closer kinship and relationship with the Dwarves and not the humans. High Elves have contributed in their own way to the Alliance and not just military. The growth of High Elves as a people could lead to Blood Elf aggression. So should the Alliance not intervene in case this happens?
There are discussions of Silvermoon becoming a neutral city anyway. So how would this be maintained? High Elves can be a method to do so. Perhaps
A difficult concept a lot of Horde do not want to address is: The Horde are the bad guys. Some do and own this.
Exactly they went underground to hide from the living what they are. The Horde overlook or accept the Forsaken for what they are. But there are many torturous and experimental things they do to captives everyday.
Why bring that to the surface?
High Elves were the ones that created Quel’Thelas in the first place. Despite lacking a home and seemingly being scattered they maintain a real presence in the World of Warcraft.
As for when they were mentioned. You can verify on the High Elf threads but. I mentioned already retaking of Surumar and their presence in North Rend.
High Elves returning to the very country that they created is not a bad thing. They could be coming home. However Blood Elf and or Horde aggression could be problematic and something to be kept in check.
The cope of high elf defenders is so funny. This is a blood elf city. Horde one too. We will not let you in. They and void elves are to be killed on sight. Accept that and move on.