Why did Rezan die?

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They did fail. Dazar’alor was the first raid with cutscenes. Neither Mythrax nor Zul got their own quests. Unlike the second tier where Rastakhan died in the most pathetic way possible and the fleet gets bombed.

after this everyone agreed to bring down Sylvanas. And before you say anything. Yes I think Talanji should have gone the Tyrande way, ignored the council and hunt down Jaina on her own since after 5 years every Zandalari should have realized by now the Horde will not help them in getting revenge. After Vulpera, Zandalari are deffo the most pointless allied race considering that all the reasons they asked the Horde for help became naught.

It was Talanji who made sure the Zandalari became passive.

you have a narrow definition of victory.

They are great losses. For everyone who doesn’t agree with how Thrall handled the Horde post Warcraft 3. Read heart of war short story. There isa clear shism between the Orcs of various backgrounds.

Then why you disagree with my takes so feverly?

I doubt they planned this from the get go. They didn’t realize how hard the Vol’jin death cutscene would create a backlash considering how bad it was in comparison to Varian.

Rezan is gone. That is the point of the quest. Rezan didn’t reincarnate. He was used as proxxy to give Vol’jin a power boost.

They don’t care about Vol’jin either. But they will not forget to remember everyone that Anduin is still missing. Because god forbid people forget that humans are the main race of the game.

I can make assumptions about the future because this is exactly how Blizzard has treated the Horde after Cataclysm. They do NOT matter in the grander plot. They exist either to betray the alliance at a crucial moment when we are at peace(Legion) or to be a stand in bad guy to be defeated by the alliance again when Blizzard is short of enemies for the humans and night elves to defeat(Bfa). That is the only purpose the Horde will ever have. If the plot isn’t neutral(Dragonflight witht the dragons) it will always be the Heroes of the alliance who will save the day. Has been so sice their first defeat in Warcraft 2.

Rastakhan was activley making sure the Zandalari have a major presence in the world. That is why he allowed Zul to go to Pandaria. Talanji sits on her bum doing nothing. Source: the timeskip of 5 years after the end of the fourth war.

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The answer is simple. Why would blizz keep an long established male king of the zandalari if they could replace it with some new empowered female character we never knew about before. Thats it. Why care about lore characters if you can focus on a social agenda.

There was literally no reason to write him off like this. Zul was obviously going to be a villain. But rezan had no reason to die like that. we didnt even get to see him in the shadowlands. same with other characters wich died a poinless death like voljin or varian

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Couldn’t have put it better myself. That leaves a like for you.

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Never liked Garrosh, first he was just completely whiny and pathetic then when the other extreme. They ruined Zaela, she was cool in the Twilight Highlands and then a fellow nutjob. Nazgrim is still around but he’s become a side-kick. Dranosh… uh… was he even ever important to the story beyond Wrathgate?

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Well, I was just sad because it was obviously a trap and he fell for it. He seemed like a cool loa. The Light connection is weird, I’m ignoring it mostly and going with my head canon of you don’t need to be religious to use the Light - it’s a force not a deity. I am more confused why we saved Hireek from the Maw tbh.

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He was the son of Saurfang. The next generation of Orcs. Fresh blood. And then get wasted because just like Trolls Orcs are not allowed to have nice things.

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I know who he was but was he even in the game aside from wrathgrate? The character meant nothing to me. Really, the only character I -really- liked was Slyvanas and then just went off her in Shadowlands mainly because she betrayed me and the Jailer was just… a terrible enemy and I expected her to know better. I also loved Illidan but his story is done in a satisfactory way for me, if they brought him back I’d be a bit confused.

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Tbh I wouldn’t take him too seriously, mostly just makes threads to stir the pot. Sometimes like now I engage because I’m bored, not because I expect a proper discussion :joy:

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Hi’reek was corrupted by G’huun. Shadra was killed by her own priest. Loa got shafted massivley. Reminded me of Drakkari all over again.

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Mythrax, Zul and G’huun are dead. That’s not a matter of opinion. Until the Alliance attack, Zandalar was doing fine.

And abandon her throne, leave Dazar’alor vulnerable again with a weakened Loa, take her few remaining soldiers, defy the Horde and attack Kul’Tiras to be killed in the process?

Yeah, that sounds like something you would do.
The irony is that you still don’t realize that you contradict yourself. After so many failed attempts to make you realize it, I’ll try a new medium:

…says the guy that claims “Losses don’t matter, they got their land back, so they’ve won!”, whenever someone mentions the Night Elves’ losses in the War of Thorns.

Bring me 10 people who consider Zaela’s death a “great loss”, I dare you.

Because you don’t stand for anything. You use double-standards and whataboutism in your “argumentation” and when confronted, evade every challenge, until you throw all pretense away, yell “Blizzard has to give me what I want!” or switch to “WE WILL WIN! LOK’TAR!”-roleplay mode.

If you truly believed that BS, you would have quit the game years ago.

Like Thrall in Cataclysm?
(Rhetorical question; no need to answer, we’ve been there:
You’ll once again call him an Alliance character and claim that he’s “not Horde”, then I will point out that you don’t decide who’s part of the factions, then you will deflect that as usual and move the goal post to the “argument” that Thrall led the orcs into a desert.)

Mother of… this is not a source :man_facepalming: We know that what you can see ingame doesn’t necessarily depict the present status lorewise. But, just a little thought experiment: As you told everyone here, in the german and the US forums many times, the Zandalari were in pretty bad shape. They were involved in a war, lost a king, a big part of their military power, followed by several uprisings, attacks, fires and destroyed Loa shrines.

I need you to think very hard now:
What could Talanji possibly have done in the last five years that didn’t let her leave Zandalar? :stuck_out_tongue:

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the fight was a distraction and she left when her job was done

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Exactly that yes thank you.

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one of my favourite raids so pretty into the lore of it
still missing gmod tho

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So we agree that it wasn’t a fight to the death for her, because she was only buying time for the others and then escaped.

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Not really. that is why the alliance attacked them in the first place. Destroy their military power to make sure they can not aid the Horde and skip the balance in their favor. And it suceeded. After Nazjatar the Alliance landed in Durotar and marched towards Orgrimmar. The Zandalari at that point were not involved in any Horde military activity.

If you can read, I wrote that what came AFTEr Cataclysm. At no moment the Horde was cruicial for the plot. Ever.

I only stay for the RP. I barley do the PVE content beyond LFR.

I stand FOR the horrible treatment of my favorite things in this game. Unlike humans or night elves, the races I identify with the most are treated like crap by Blizzard. And that is what I expose in my topics. My goal is to make Blizzard realize there are more people then just fans of the two most boring races here.

Put Orcs and Trolls next to the night elves. You might see that the list of characters killed in the timespan after wotlk is off the scales.

Worked with the army of the black moon. Don’t see why it can’t work for the Zandalari as well.

Look at the cities build by trolls over the centruies. You can not convince me that building a few shrines and recruiting new soldiers takes more then a few months at best.

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yeah im agree with you and adding mroe to it

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They were involved, as in the Alliance involved them, therefore they were involved.

“If you can write”, then you should now that “after Cataclysm” contradicts “Ever” as well as “since their first defeat in Warcraft 2”.

I didn’t ask what you stay for, nor do I care.
You stay, therefore you can’t believe what you wrote.

You’re not exposing, there’s nothing new in your topics. You repeat, almost quote yourself.

Then try to mobilize these fans and don’t alienate him. But we’re going in circles.

I pointed out the double-standard in your argumentation. But again, you evade the criticism and try to move the goalpost, as usual.

Unlike the Night Elves, she still had a city with civilians. Unlike the Night Elves, her military was almost depleted. And whose power should Talanji have invoked?

And then do what? Launch an attack off-screen?
Wait… did you just imply that there could be a new Zandalari Fleet? Wouldn’t that make your “ruined beyond repair”-thread obsolete? :clown_face:

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Zul was a Zandalari Troll with a numerous crimes, if you condemn the Alliance for the deeds of individuals, fine, but then do the same for the Zandalari
Tha latest of the old boy’s was, well setting Stormwind on fire…? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:
And Zandalar not apologized - nor for their princes attempt to seek the Horde’s help - and stayed neutral; they accepted the Horde, protected it, and welcomed Zul back - wich bit them in the :peach: in several ways, Zul betrayed them and the Alliance saw them as potential enemies from that point

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And after the raid? Where was the oh so big military action from them? Spoilers. There is none.

Thrall went neutral in Caatclysm. Malfurion and Tyrande had, from Legion onward, constant exposure In every Eexpansion that followed til Dragonflight where they are about to get a new tree. That is much more then lets say Darkspear or Tauren as a whole have gotten putting all their lore together.

You say I have no reason to stay. I argue that I have and list thema s such.

I try to rally the fans of the things I am too a fan of.

You do realize that unlike the Zandalari the Night elves are not tied to a single zone right? The Zandalari as of the rule of Talanji are limited to Zuldazar. They hold no influence over Nazmir or Vol’dun. Where as the night elves have lots of lands, almost as much as the humans.

Feralas, Stonetalon, Winterspring, Felwood, Ashenvale, Darkshore.

No. You can’t replace sailors with years of experience. That was the most massive blow against Zandalar after Rezan(No power for the Prelates). The Zandalari are not Kul Tiras. They don’t grow up with the sea. They have to get real life experience before they can be of any use. And as it seems the Zandalari have grown cold towards the Horde during this time(Talanji is nowhere to be see at any council meetings so far), we might never see a new fleet.

Zul is dead. Jaina is not. Point taken.

Why should they apologize? Zul delivered them unity among all trolls. Something we haven’t seen since the days of the Empire of Zul. If he hadn’t started aid G’huun all tribes might have worshiped him as hero as great as even Dazar.

Alliance put her in prison and tried to kill her when she escaped. There is nothing else to discuss.

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I see you are back to your old habits then, cherrypicking what fits your dreamworld, rewriting history, interpet in an unique way facts, and igorning the rest
No point to continnue any discussion with you
:person_shrugging:
A pity you shown some progress