Mueh’zala elevated his follower Bwonsamdi into a loa as well in the ancient past, so any Loa probably are capable to do that; there was 0 need for Rezan to die for Vol’jin’s “ascension” - but we don’t even know what he become; just entered one of the Winter Queen’s rebirth pods
Not to mention, in theory, his Prelates power came from Reazan as well and Prelate Rata said:
“We are broken.
The light of Rezan has left us. Only a handful of those that followed the great king of the loa still have any sort of power, and even they are suspect.
Our life was devotion itself. Now who do we become?”
A big middle finger to the Zandalari ‘paladins’ - okay they are not Paladins per se. They are empowered by the Loa to be their righteous fury. They can be the prelate of any of that Loa they worship and have earned the respect (and power) of that Loa. They are closer to the Tauren’s Sunwalkers in that regard. But still, Rezan’s Prelates were the mightiest I think
Their loss is worse than any fleet destruction or king’s death for the Zanadalari in my humble oppinion
You mean the dungeon where we help a Troll loa defending his home against a treacherous loa who works with the Jailer, by defeating skeletons and spirits, battle two gnomes and a broker?
Except he was cut down in his prime. It was such a waste of a character, a really rubbish death. Tasha Yar worthy almost. I was very upset when Rezan died, he fell for an obvious trap but I think the whole point was to make you feel sad much like Sendrax in Dragonflight. So, I am glad there is a Vol’jin-Rezan type being in the making, I think it will be more interesting.
He didn’t do anything in WoD and was robbed of his moment by Varian by the end of MoP. The Legion intro was once more just about Varian almost like Blizzard is playaing favorites here. That is all we will get on him. INstead of killing new characters with lots of potential we need to get rid of the old luggage that is a burden to the story. I cried no tear when he went out. Just like I will not be sad when Thrall and Baine meet their ends.
Yeah they completely wasted him as a character in WoD and made him a pawn for the Sylvanas story. I do agree we need new characters, I am really fed up of Tyrande the Grumpy Shrieker. Old, old characters should make sort of guest appearances at this point and put younger/newer ones at the forefront, the next generation to take on saving Azeroth. I don’t think they all need to die though x) And no, I don’t think anybody will miss Baine
Not the story of Sylvanas. She had no connection to him despite being nominated warchief. He was wasted to make Varian look good. Who got the most badass cinematic in the history of the entire game. Had to be killed by Gul’dan even. Meanwhile Vol’man was killed by a random felguard. That is how little Blizzard cares about the Horde story. We are just a sidekick in the bigger plot. The main story will always be just about Jaina and Tyrande and some times the dragons.
There is no new generation for the Horde. Nazgrim, Zaela, Dranosh and Garrosh are dead. Blizzard utterly wrecked the entire cast of the Horde for a cheap villain story.
Really? I couldn’t take him seriously from the beginning. It was such a ridiculous contrast to the Tauren Paladin introduction. Months before the implementation of the Paladins, they had these two characters in Thunderbluff discuss An’she and the Light and a possible connection and all that. So when it came, it seemed logical.
With BfA, it was just “Here, these trolls are praying to a glowing Dinosaur and therefore can use the Light, please don’t ask questions!”
It’s probably not easy to create a new Loa when Bwonsamdi takes the spotlight at the same time, but… when the “Loa of Kings” with all his power dies in a “Leeeroooooy Jenkins!”-moment, you have to ask yourself if the Zandalari are not better off without him.
Regarding Vol’jin, I totally understand the rage though. I hated Varian because he was one of these characters who the writers elevated by making everyone else present look dumb and incompetent. His death is the best example for that. Epic action, selflessness, anime style combat, slaying monsters, being executed by the villain after he uttered patriotic final words… while the Placeholder-War-Chief of the Horde was literally slain in a 2 second-sequence by a Trashmob. Vol’jin deserved so much better.
If there’s no new generation for the Horde, why do you keep crying about said generation? And I still find it incredibly funny that you even count Zaela (aka Extra #77120).
Because Blizzard made us feel connected to them. They weren’t pansies like Thrall and Baine and made you feel patriotic. And all of them were Orcs. Something rare to find among Horde characters since Blizzard killed all the old chieftains.
She has actual lore connecting her to the Horde. Not like Gorfax who was an alliance only trash mob until he showed up in undercity.
Yes really. His intro was kickass and because of him Zandalari royalty had a long life. Now Talanji has a normal lifespan until the next massacre of Horde leading characters to raise the stakes happens.
Right. Who doesn’t remember… Gorfax.
And Zaela… in the end, she was nothing more than a henchman to another lunatic.
Cherry-picking, again, just with Rastakhan back then. “It doesn’t matter that Rastakhan was blind to all the threats to his throne and left it to Talanji to deal with them - he would have been the better king because I liked him better!”
"It doesn’t matter that Rezan, the highest Loa of Kings, ran into an obvious trap without a second thought! He made ONE GUY live long and I liked him better!"
Whatever Blizzard does, you keep whining, cherry-picking, criticise, claim to speak for a community and know it better. I told you a few days ago: You won’t reach any of your goals if you don’t change your approach and can’t convince players to support you.
On the other hand, I’ve told you that a hundred times over the years.
I guess, it is as they say:
A leopard can’t change its spots.
The only zone were we see Talanji act on her own is Nazmir. In Vol’dun it is a bunch of Vulpera, Rakera and Kaja. In Zuldazar we follow Rastakhan around.
As you might have noticed by now, I have dropped the alliance bias thing and moved to other topics where it is easier to get arguments. And I have no clue what you want from me. Rezan was the main Loa of the Zandalari Pantheon. He was the most active in the questing. Even more then Bwonsamdi because Zul and his followers knew getting rid of him is the key to defeat the throne. Without Rezan Rastakhan started to age rapidly and had to rely on the lesser Loa to hold Mythrax at bay. And it was all for naught because Zul gets resurrected in the Uldir raid and G’huun almost breaks free. If you finish all zone questing it is obvious the Horde failed in their goals. And the culmination of the story happens in the first raid tier without a fancy cutscene attached to it. The real meat of the expansion happens AFTER 8.1. And by that time most Horde leaders are on the rebellion train.
The stand in Dragonmaw leader because Zaela died.
I wonder how you would feel if they used Taelia as dungeon boss because she started to support the current big bad guy. Some Horde players feel that about Zaela because without her the Dragonmaw Clan wouldn’t have joined the playable Horde. It is literally all of Twilight Highlands questing.
They were introduced as the new generation of Orcs free from demonic corruption. Yet they still died to either the villain bat or being snuffed by Arthas. Horde characters aren’t allowed to stay alive. It is a pattern by now.
Rezan had to die to give Blizzard the option to bring back superpowered Vol’jin. Vol’jin was trapped in the Shadowlands, but with the power of the Loa of Kings being transferred to him he will be able to go through the nature god’s rebirth cycle in Ardenweald and return to Azeroth.
So easy to read answer:
Normal Vol’jin: ded. “Rezan’jin”: rebirth.
Talanji is the one who brought the Horde, who talks to the Horde leaders and coordinates our actions in Zandalar.
You still don’t get it. It’s not about that stupid phrase, it’s about the overall approach to a discussion. You still resort to whataboutism. You just ignore it when someone points out your flawed arguments. You make assumptions about the future you can’t possibly know.
Which is all fine. Even if we put that weird Light Dinosaur concept aside, in my opinion, they assassinated Rezan’s reputation as Loa of Kings with the way he died. He was no Bwonsamdi, whom we already knew from the Echo Isles - this was Rezan’s character introduction. Just like Rastakhan before.
Both characters were not as superior as you try to make them look here. One turned out to be incredibly dumb, the other one was blind to the threats to his throne. It was Talanji who brought the people that would save Zandalar.
But they didn’t fail. You can’t just stop in the middle of the story and proclaim “The Horde failed!”, when Zul, Mythrax AND G’huun were killed in the finale. The Horde heroes struggeled, but in the end, they won and reached their goals.
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I wouldn’t give a damn, she wouldn’t be the first character to do so.
To me, she’s on the list with characters like Admiral Taylor - NPCs who you remember, but who aren’t really important in the overall picture.
Or lived, like Aggra and others who didn’t join Garrosh.
I’m not a fan of how Blizzard depicted the Orcs in WoD or beyond either - but to suddenly turn minor character deaths into “great losses” is unneccessary imo.
That depends on what happened there:
They planned it back then, expected and tolerated the outrage, knowing that Vol’jin would become a Loa someday
They saw the backlash in the forums and decided to continue Vol’jins story to give him a glorious return and thereby make up for his pathetic death, especially after Varian was sent off as a demigod in plate armor
I think so too. My opinion is that they didn’t anticipate people being so upset over Vol’jin’s death. He was only a major character for less than two expansions, and not a particularly active one at that.
Personally, I am not certain if the loas being killed in BfA was already written with Vol’jin in mind or if the “rebirth” angle was put in place after the fact. But I certainly do not believe that they had planned this in Legion already
