Why did wrath fail?

we thought that WOTLK was going to be the biggest and most played classic xpac and it turned out to be the least active and least played by far, why did this happen? what is the future for classic after lich king dies?

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Wrath is still enjoyed by plenty of ppl almost 3 months into it despite retail trying to cannibalize on wraths success. Obvious troll.

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Becasue we have 100 bugs more than in OG wrath, and nothing feels like wrath. It feels like TBC on lvl 80.

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According to ironforge.pro and their raid stats WOTLK is way more popular than Classic Vanilla/TBC:

https://ironforge.pro/population/classic/overall/

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Cuz no RDF

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Happen because too many bugs for game and for holidays. Too stupid patch 3.3.5. Not any GM. Too long time tickets … In short not like Wrath!

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It didn’t fail.

People are raid logging and nobody is out in the world? Yeah. That’s WoTLK in a nutshell, what were you expecting?

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It didn’t fail, in fact it beat the hell out of Classic (Vanilla 2019-2021) and TBC. It has peaked around 650k active raiders, something Retail could only dream of.

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Regardless of numbers, it didn’t fail from Blizzard’s perspective. People might stop playing, but they already spent tons on boosts and transfers…

I don’t know the active numbers compared to Vanilla Classic and TBC Classic, but I know personally a good few players who joined Classic in 2019(?) for NoChanges left late in TBC with changes they began to make and proposed ones for Wrath.

Don’t think it’s failed, it’s just not what it potentially could have been.

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The world just doesn’t click with me personally. Everything is faster and I feel raiding is all there is to do. In TBC dungeons were harder, zones were prettier and had a sense of danger (outland zones).

I like Northrend and there are a few questline that are absolutely stellar like Arugal in Grizzly and the Wrathgate, but overall it’s all less interesting than Outland to me.

When you first enter Outland your jaw drops. Same when you visit Netherstorm. Every zone is so unique. Borean Tundra is just that, Howling Fjord is nice enough but doesn’t stand out imo. Dragonblight is just empty aside from the Keep, same with Icecrown and Crystalsong. Grizzly is amazing though, and Storm Peaks is very nice aswell.

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First of all I just want to point out that WOTLK Classic is more popular than both Classic Vanilla and Classic TBC just as it was during retail :man_shrugging:

But let’s for the sake of argument assume that OP is right and WOTLK is less popular than Vanilla and TBC.

Why would RDF have any impact on that what so ever when neither Classic Vanilla or TBC used RDF and are claimed to be more popular?

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Just you wait when pre-nerf Ulduar drops! Have you seen the PTR? The top guilds are struggling with hard modes, taking many hours to progress them. The “semi-hardcore” dad guilds used to brainded Naxx farm are about to absolutely implode next month.
Then the GDKPs will begin in full when all the employed raid loggers lose their comfy raid team that carried them.

It’s pretty silly to claim that people will quit wow when ULDUAR hits of all things.

I know, on a face of it it’s ridiculous, yet that exact thing happened with pre-nerf T5 in TBC. You’d be amazed how many people stopped logging after like 4 evenings of wipes on Vashj with little improvement. Maybe normal modes will help slightly.

As it should be, face rolling raids is not fun.

If only I was going to be playing for Cata Classic, I loved those rock hard 5-man heroics.

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How can you say this?

When recently Warcraft logs had more logs recorded in a week than ever?

There are so many raiders currently that the game is bursting with life.

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Imo the heroics in TBC were the hardest, before they got nerfed a lot.
With 360 cleaves melee was useless.

That is… like… your opinion?

I play classic for easy raids without any wasted time on wipes.