Why do guilds claiming to be hardcore demand optimal raid set up?

If you’re a hardcore guild / good at the game, I don’t understand why you’d want to raid with an optimal set up and not any class/spec.

Why do guilds that claim they’re hardcore demand you play specific classes with specific professions thus making content easier?

Random thought of the day is all.

The obvious is obvious.

Hardcore is not making it harder but easier.

Because that’s what hardcore guilds do.
They min-max everything.
They pick the optimised group setup and everything.

They mostly focus on speedruns in Classic. The guild that accumulate the more bis brown boyz wins.

There is also money involved (real and gold) through gdkp runs.

To achieve highest $/hour you need perfect comp.

In retail i used to raid in a twink 60 guild that was doing the content hardmode (no enchant / no comsume / no wb / no class stacking). The most fun i ever had beside twinks 50 raiding MC/ AQ20.

I was thinking of started such a guild for hard mode raiding in Classic but to be honest the demand is not really here i feel. Most classic players seem to prefer steamrolling content with loot pinatas than wiping / progressing. I can’t blame them though.

But that’s not hardcore.

Indeed. I’d be a lot more impressed by unusual achievements. Druid only Naxx or something (If that’s possible). Sure many will ask “but why?”, well…'cause it’s hardcore :stuck_out_tongue:

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Well hopefully when TBC classic releases the people that remain in classic will thrive in this way and we will see more of these types of players who are not focused around min/maxing in such ways. In my opinion these people are not as good as they think they are, they are heavily carried by world buffs, I have been in plenty of raids now where as soon as they lose their world buffs you start to see cracks in the streamlined way of playing their class.

Personally my goal in classic is I want to get full BIS spelldamage gear as a rogue and test out raiding with shadow oil with shadow priest debuff shadow weaving 15% shadow damage, curse of shadow 10% shadow damage and maybe even a warrior using nightfall 15% spell damage.

You’re thinking of Ironman, hardcore raiders max everything they can, not handicap themselves.

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