Why do I have to PvE if I want to PvP?

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I checked your profile OP you have 0 rating in case there would be vendor you would not be able to buy anything right now you get items based on your rating guess you are too bad.
So much talk from pvp player when I have more pvp achievements sure you are “PVP PLAYER” LUL

You expect getting gear by spammin random bgs and world pvp beyond lfr quality and doing nothing ranked what “these so called only pvp players do since they are PVP players” yet your progress is inferior then most of pve players in pvp same your rating is 0 so much for you being “PVP PLAYER”

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i actually couldnt find him at one point :stuck_out_tongue:

but seriously, every pvp reward i get is useless. either the random drops are 20+ ilvl lower than what i have, or the stuff got for the 500 conquest cap are usually the wrong items. eg. this week i get an 385 trinket, but my trinkets are 395/405. HOWEVER, i would have liked a 385 ring, as mine is only 365. next 500 cap gives me 385 boots, when i have 400. still would rather the ring :\

the thing about pvp gear in the past is that as most gear was available to everyone, and you could choose which items to buy, like above i could buy a ring instead of a trinket, it meant that people could be on an equal footing, at least gear wise. and everyone would have access to decent gear.

most average pvps probably will be around 385~ lvl, cause thats basically all the gear you can get for non rated. however, if you are good at pve, or even DO pve, there is a chance you could have multiple, or even a full set of 400+ items.

a 385 pvper, going up against a 415+ pver is a bit unfair when the pvper has spent loads of time in bg’s whereas the pver has never done a bg in their life.

yes some pvpers do rated, and can get better gear, but you have to be of a certain rating, i currently am 1.3K 3’s (my S1 RBG team players have quit game, and ive been unable to find groups since) rewards me with 380 gear. this is totally useless as the gear from the conquest reward is 385. so if 1.4K rating gives 380 gear, its probably over 2K needed for 400ilvl or higher. (not certain of the rating needed for 400+). while 2k is easy for some, not everyone is a great pvper, or has access to the same teammates day in day out. just look at all the rated pugs that fall apart after 1 match (arena or rbg).

a pvp vendor is needed, and i think i heard that one is being put into the game with 8.2, BUT the pvp gear needs to be a bit better. this info seems incorrect now. im not aware of any pvp vendor being put into the game.

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I actually didnt know what residuum was for til like 6 weeks ago. To pvp you have to do m+ for gear and CoS if youre healer/ plate/few other classes like feral/hunter. Its dumb.

On the upside I actually enjoy m+ since I was forced to do it. But a +10 isnt even close to 2100k in difficulty so pvp gear below that is useless. M+ is trivial for good gear.

Pvp right now is crap; CoS ruined it and the meta is very very boring.

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the problem atleast was back in the days whit pvp items sold buy vendors, was that pve players did pvp to get theese items to pve whit, at start this was not a good idea at all, most items you could acuire was bad in pve, specialy in tbc, even if people say otherwise, it became better but it whent over the top, pvp items became easy to get, that they almost became better than raid items at one point.

though pvp items is somethine we need from vendors, I would also suggest a new tab for battlegrounds/arena, where you equip pvp items, that can only be used in pvp, and when you come out from a bg you automaticly switch back to your pve items, also at same time pve items inside battlegrounds and aren are unusable.
this would meen you all will get an starter pvp kit that they then can switch out buy when they get the honor for it or conquest depending on what you do.

this could also work so that if you put on pvp in the world you get those items on also, though this might not realy be needed at all, but it could be so you can choose then, use your pve items or pvp items.

atleast doing that instanced pvp should become more balanced to some extent atleast.

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Those of us that have been around for a while will probably remember gear inspections and having the endless debates about wearing pvp gear in pve content. I think I’d rather have that back over what we have now. It wasn’t unusual to have two sets of gear that you switched between doing whichever content but now the only route to pvp gear is by doing pve and that makes little sense. For the game to not alienate players there needs to be varied routes to decent gear rather than forcing them to focus on content they really don’t want to do and prior to the removal of pvp vendors(and to a degree the state of gear crafting profs) had no need to.
I quite liked the template system actually, even though we had the issue with people equipping items just for a specific stat to appear such as leech and so on. At least it meant pvp wasn’t so largely affected by who had done the higher level pve content.

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Is there anything other than endgame that matters ? Or have I been playing another game all along ?

It was. Just highlighting the fact that you didn’t need to farm PvE gear in order to get the PvP one, which is what OP is justly complaining about. Current WoW still has some useful minimal PvP gear that you can’t farm unless being solidly PvE geared.

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u dont need to grind any pve if u know to play pvp u can gear up with no problems in arenas

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No you cant it would take you ages to get worse gear than doing m+

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Except pve drops are much more reliable and numerous, the only proper source of gear for pvp is the weekly chest.

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Send Ion my regards.

… back to work.

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I preferred the old system with vendors myself. The excuse that people can’t find the vendor doesn’t make any sense when there are so many PvE vendors scattered around.

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Except you first need decent gear before starting to do arena, at least rated, which you get from doing… PvE.

And they know it, it was just give an excuse, didn’t matter how cheap and dumb it was.
Honestly, I think they should be reported for trolling. The devs, I mean.

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You’ll have to be 2100 rated in a PvP bracket to get anything equal to what a weekly +10 offers, that you don’t have to time.
This is not counting the absurdity of certain PvE trinkets from CoS and BoD, which still are better than what PvP offers with the nerfs. Why do we still have all these defensive effects not being severely nerfed, no 50% isn’t enough, or outright disabled? The meta is already slow and CD based but these items take it to another level. A level that isn’t fun.

This character has done capping at rival level and +10 since the start of the current BfA season. Take a guess as to what venue most of the gear in my PvP set comes from.

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loads of time in nonrated bgs so that you get for doing nothing like expecitng gear from lfr…

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PVP is nerfed to the ground and slow cause pvp players sucks and cry getting killed by pve players that is why so few do actually pvp it is not fun becasue of “pvp crybabies”

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achievemnts do not lie if you make pvp cry post and posting from alt you barely do any pvp shows your effor/how much “PVP” you actually do.

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Sure since they track everything you do.
Just…
Like saying f… pve i want gear meanwhile spamming rhc and lfr still no clue why you do not get better gear and you whine about it …

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Im expecting soon some threads from pvers saying “waaa waa why do i have to PVP for the new essence”

For those unaware there is a new essence in 8.2 only farmable by rated PvP and this will unlock one of your honor talents for PvE too.

(Way of the crane for mw monks, smoke bomb for rogues etc etc)

I can see it coming already, meanwhile OP is speaking out of my heart regarding PvP gearing.

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Shame you cant choose them though :confused: better than nout i guess

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non rated pvp is not the equivalent of lfr :\

an almost preset pve event (raids) compared to an “anything can happen” scenario, pvp (rated or non rated).

im sure people like me “deserve” semi decent pvp gear with over 270K kills… without having to do pve which we dont massively like after the first run. :\