Doesn’t have to be mythic raiding ilevels from random BGs, but when it’s worse than what u get from LFR and m0, that doesn’t seem quite right.
Should deffo be better than what it is now.
At LEAST make the conquest from consequent wins more worthwhile, you can’t even spam BGs for a day and get anything since the conquest u get after 1 win is so negligible. (8 from random, 15 from epic, wth)
Non rated is below LFR in difficulty with keyboards turners not knowing at least hafl of their spellbook as enemy such challenge quit this already do rated or cry about not getting gear from spamming LFR/RHC.1
1600 + rating for heroic item how hard is that ?
Stop expecting getting any kind of gear by just spaming random bgs what is below LFR/RHC in “Challenge” when you play against everyone who queues not like it has any MMR or gear requirement and you DO NOT play against someone of you rating to be even thinking to be challenging why tho pvp players who have rating have all gear from pvp hmm guess they have found vendor with their rating.
Wait what!?
There use to be pvp vendors? i’ve never seen them, damn it!
wow! you just sound so up your own hole.
and i checked yours. you seem more a pve hero than a pvp player. mythic 13/14’s and 7/8 mythic uldir.
where as your pvp stats are less than impressive for the way you’re talking. 1550 in 2’s/3’s, 1.9k rbg, only 29 rbg won, only 159 arena won, less than 20K hk’s, and many of the battleground achievements not done…
while nothing are wrong with those stats, (i myself am 1.9K RBG, and less than 1750 in 3’s), people at that level are not in a position to make the sort of statement you did with it having any validity.
no one is saying that 1600 rating is massively hard in and of itself, the problem is finding people to play with on a consistent basis.
and non rated battlegrounds are still harder than lfr. maybe even normal raids (currently), cause you KNOW whats coming all the time. the only issue you face in raids is avoiding the tactics that will come at the same time EVERY TIME, and having good enough gear to complete it. in battlegrounds, anything can happen, cause you never know what the other team will do.
and as a keyboard turner myself, i seem to have done far better in bg’s than you. with only 29 RBG won, it almost seems like you found a hot streak, ran with it, and gave up once you thought your luck was about to run out. hence why you’ve done almost no RBG in BfA i suspect.
and random bg’s do have a hidden gear requirement. the worse your gear, the more chance you will be killed easily, so, you want as high an ilvl as you can get.
and i just looked at the top RBG rated rogue (cause i am rogue), with a rating of 2,774. they have 7 pieces of pvp gear, and 8 pieces of pve gear (9 if you include the neck). with the lowest pvp gear being 405, but the lowest pve gear being 410. they again are a full mythic raider and mythic 19 player. so, this has helped them increase the ilvl of the pvp gear that was not as good. people who dont pve wont be able to do that.
overall, i think you’re just wrong, and have a very snobish view of the whole situation.
Can you say "artificial time played extension "
If they remove pvp vendor I expect them to make the game a movie so that people without hands can play it.
Almost there, just another pruning wave and we good.
It is hard to find people have you tried guild all rbgs i did and 1,9k rat was with guildies ye everything can happend in gs s.fu with this nonsense you win or lose nothing different there compared to OP who has half of % in pvp achievemetns done i am pretty good in pvp ,people do not do rated bgs guess why ? most classes are not fun in pvp hybrids nerfed nothing does dmg because of pvp crybabies and my view is high very.
RBGS are hard in what ? not like you have to think o_O i got sapped and i am defending what now hmm such dilemma as pve player main i have like 0 reason to do pvp when it plays not fun,gear does not matters as much becasue of pvp crybabies bring back wotlk pvp that was something fun this is joke and people wanting gear from doing RANDOM BGS stop joking do rated or spam randoms bgs and expecting reward from doing nonrated stuff just beyond being dumb.
Try be social and make friends i made groups in BFA for my dh rbg skin in 2 days got to 1,4k+ rat really hard AF guess if you are bad it is got my skin and never touched pvp again it is not fun you are nerfed/feel weaker because like we know these “PVP PLAYERS ONLY” like OP with 0 rating and 0 gear would be stomped by likes of me hence so less people do pvp not fun.
Do rated get gear from rated.Do not do rated do not expect any gear from non rated.
And you said so much to me yet you ignored OP who has even less done as “PVP PLAYER ONLY” then me such quality guess you got butthurt.
Cant remember you never got gear in any expansion from non rated bgs there is reason why.
Listen son.
I spent 5 years of my life doing pvp on Lineage II.
I spent 4 years of my life doing pvp on League of Legends ending Diamond 3 by Season 4 on EU West when the top was Diamond 1 still.
I spent few months on Overwatch reaching Diamond there also on NA and that’s the reason I don’t spend too much time in WoW anyway.
I spent few years doing casual PvP in WoW which brought me 19k honorable kills through various characters that I PvPed with and which you cannot see it because the 25k Honorable Kills Achievement is not completed yet.
Also the Achievements for BG’s are not Account-Wide and that’s the reason that I don’t have all of them.
By now you understand that you are an ignorant kid that you don’t know to whom you are talking to amd about what.
Also I guess you were not playing PvP in WoD since you don’t remember the vendors.
Now after all this I am 29 years old and I work night shifts. If you think it’s easy to find a descent healer and grind the no sense no queue Arenas to get worse than PvE gear you must be stupid.
Sadly no, not my preferred content type but I don’t see why you shouldn’t have the same content oriented for your preferences.
That is your problem not mine this should and never to be changed for sake rare individuals great you did non ranked anything in pvp /clap you are great AF
And not i did not played wod i played wotlk,cata and still vendors to me were why?Guess what you needed RATING TO buy stuff from them so yes wanting rewards from doing mindless RANDOM BGS with 0 rating and MMR should reward even less they do now.
Actually you used to get the previous seasons gear from not-rated bgs since TBC
IN comparison quality of gear you get now so what is issue?
YOu get trash for doing trash you get gear from doing rateds like always since tbc arenas so this is just joke REE I DO SPAM LIKE DUMB non rated BGS RANDOMS 24/7 REE I want GEAR REE.
my guild is barely surviving. and most either dont like pvp, or are not on all at the same time where we could set up rated pvp. and no other guild on my server would be much or any better. my server is basically dead. only 6 guilds did crucible, even less will do pvp, like i have explained here:
(shameless plug!!)
i didn’t have a go at OP cause he didn’t initially bite into anyone, and like has been said, because so much is NOT account wide, its hard to tell what someone REALLY has done or is capable of.
so yeah, i’ve tried in my guild. it didn’t work. i even went outside my comfort zone in BfA season 1, and found a group of people, even joined a community, and had fun in season 1, getting my mount, and almost getting 2k rating. BUT all those players have quit since season 1 ended. im VERY hesitant to go through all the pain of finding 20+ good players to fight with this season, especially when the season is probably over soon.
you are right though i think, pvp, like pve, does seem at the mercy of flavor of the month metas etc. my friend is a resto shaman, but because disc priests and mw monks are the more favored healers in pvp, its hard to get them into a game, even though most teams want at least 1 rogue. so yeah, you’re right there.
the game currently is not great for being social, unless you’re on a server where you have a lot of people, and already know the people. the rng of making a group cross realm can go very bad, and most games people leave after 1 loss.
and this is correct. how do you think i got my gear in tbc/wotlk? and one of the reasons pver’s didn’t want to take me in tbc (resi gear). you have always been able to buy pvp gear from a vendor until BfA, but you had to grind the currency (badges or marks or honor or conquest or whatever). BUT you are right. lots of free gear is thrown out in non rated pvp, but MOST of it is sh*t and is only good to be vendored/scrapped. just because you’re getting all this free gear, it doesn’t mean you’re GETTING free gear. you’re basically being given gold or profession mats.
this MUST be incorrect. i have no proof however, EXCEPT the fact that every season i was in pretty much full pvp gear in TBC and WotLK, BUT i never started doing ANY rated pvp until the end of cata. so how did i get my pvp gear in TBC and WotLK if i didn’t do rated pvp until end of Cata?
while some classes didn’t like pvp in TBC/WotLK (i hated going against dk’s at start of WotLK), and most people say that MoP was best time for pvp, i enjoyed pvp in TBC and WotLK, and got, i would guess, over 200K of my kills from that time period, as i never played half of cata, all of MoP and 1/3 of Legion.
whatever our disagreements, i think we may agree that there should be pvp vendors like there was in the old days, and that pvp needs better balance/love like the old days.
what ever the OP’s pvp history on this toon, do you really think his POINT, “that its unfair on pvpers, that we have to get our gear from pve to be partly competitive” is not correct?
The issue is that you cannot even read. Especially my first post. The issue is that I can run M+10 all day ezclap and get 410+ at some point with warforge and titanforge but here is the thing - I DON’T WANT to take my gear that way. My time is precious and when I do something I want to be the PvP way and not mindless ezclap M+10 let’s say. I did it already all this PvE fiesta in 2 toons. I prefer to do like 100 bg’s in order to get that gear than mindless / ezclap M+ because simply I don’t like PvE and I already did it in 2 toons.
You are playing the wrong game.
WoW is a PvE game with the ability to play PVP.
It wasn’t the wrong game for several expansions until this dumb ridiculous system implemented in Legion. He is rightfully asking Blizzard to revert it, since nobody in the PvP community likes it.
I mean i can say your pvp all day doing rated mindless easy clap and you have issue even doing that /clap
You are crying for not getting gear from NON RATED BGS from RANDOM BGS just … you have no clue what is pvp at all adn ever was and m+ is not mindless that is your opinion of someone who claims to be pvp player yet you do NOTHING RATED and are crying for not getting gear from RANDOM BGS for some reason.
If your time was like you say "precious " you would do rated pvp and got gear already like most of actual PVP players which you are not at all.
I am more PVP player than you are.
Change realm fixes a lot you are wasting time on dead realm.
"hat its unfair on pvpers, that we have to get our gear from pve to be partly competitive” is not correct?
Is incorrect and ever was give me single example when you had to?
Previously with vendors you farmed and got rat and bought your pvp gear simple as that but pvp crybabies got mostly destroyed by pveplayers like me who got now shiny sword and tried to use it in pvp reee pvp crybabies…
Now only difference is you get gear randomly based on your RATING and 1 item per week based on your rating same as i get items from m+ randomly as pve player I never understood why vendor imo i do not even care since all pvp items required RATING to buy not like it would change something for OP WHO DOES NON RATED PVP ANd has 0 RATING AT ALL he would not be able to buy anything from any vendor in first place so vendor would not change his REE /WHINE CRYBABY spamming wanting items just from spamming RANDOM BGS REE imo random bgs are easier than LFR OP is expecting gear from this is beyond dumb.
HE DOES NOT EVEN DO PVP btw HONOR LVL IS ACCOUNT WIDE /clap to his LVL 16 so he does not do EITHER RANDOM BGS how much he claims to do them just …
Not on a competitive level. If you want to be on equal footing you need to do pve.
Like this guy:
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/whaazzwalker
Because gear plays different roles.
In pve gear will prevent you from moving up to more difficult bosses, it’s suppose to act as a barrier. Slow down the progress. How much of an advantage you need in order to defeat the bosses will vary, but it will always be there.
In pvp gear mainly becomes a factor once you reach the ratings where you will meet opponents of a similar skill level. This is why gear needs to be equalised among people so it won’t remain the deciding factor.
Of course this is at the same time an rpg so removing gear altogether from pvp is plain… boring. Going for the ultimate stats and all that is an enjoyable part for all of us, pve’ers and pvp’ers.
I might add that there have been vendors for pve gear in the past, this gear acted mainly as a catch up. This is also what the azerite gear vendor pretty much is.
You do know that rating affecting the gear was removed somewhere after wotlk?
This idea that rating should affect the ilvls is bad for the simple reason that it’s easier to acquire gear through pve than to push up to some competitive levels in pvp where you can get some decent drops. Always been that way.
AND THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE DUE this being MMORPG and not LOL, EVEN IN LOL you DO PVE get GOLD and BUY ITEMS AND DO PVP SO… when there is 0 character progression just look at LEGION PVP when gear did not mattered so many pvp players played and so much pvp was in LEGION when that happened just becasue some pvp crybabies cryeid and whined on everything so stop with this BS that already happend whole LEGION was like that most boring PVP in history.
Depends you can queue and win easy rat or can not depends what you do imo best pvp are rated bgs.
Ofc it is easier PVP PLAYERS ONLY are minority personally i do not know anyone who does ONLY PVP but i know many who do both compared to pve players and players who do both.
And pvp players always whine/cry/ for nerfs to XYZ instead of getting good i do not know any mythic raider/m+ pusher asking for nerfs to me PVP players are bunch of whiners/excuse makers/crybabies crying every sec and begging for nerfs everytime they lose in pve you fail you improve and get better but noo these “PVP PLAYERS” instead of get good and improving just cry/whine beg for nerfs nerfing every XYZ and that is why so little do pvp not fun but at least these top 1% rated guys are having fun right ?? just … pvp players bunch of crybabies .