You can not compare WPvP with a nightclub. The closest thing you can compare IRL is an
armed conflict area. In that area, you can’t expect the Police officer says to the local gangs: “Hey guys, we’re not here to cause trouble, we will just arrest that specific guy going our way. Now let us in!”
All you are trying to do is to get PvP rewards without doing PvP.
Do not avoid PvP, especially if you are activating WM. Attack other players you think you can kill them. No one was 3000 MMR multi-gladiator on the first day they were in this game.
Because Blizzard is offering NON PVP rewards, that are just good for EVERYONE, they are twisting the intended purpose of warmode and luring in people who are not interested in the slightest in that ‘intended purpose’ but just want the rewards they can get there.
THAT is my issue with warmode. There’s different people activating it for completely different reasons; exactly like in my example.
Extra xp is NOT a PvP reward.
Extra resources is NOT a PvP reward.
Yes; in my case the reward was PvP related because it was a transmog from a PvP set. But I still was not interested in engaging in PvP and people should respect that.
No I won’t because that’s just not in my nature. I’d rather cooperate to thwart a common obstacle/foe.
PvE players turn on Warmode and have no intention of actually PvP despite using a PvP function.
It doesn’t make sense. But they Blizzard can not penalize you for just playing the game. You farm them enough to turn off Warmode or until they call for back up and you have a real fight.
Nonsense. People who like wpvp are given a chance to take part in just that. THAT should be enough of a ‘reward’. Nobody doing that deserves more than other players. It was a bad decision by Blizzard and they are just helping to keep the toxicity going.
Tbh I don’t really see how you can compare it to going out clubbing or whatever.
I think it’s really simple; putting wm on literally makes you a free for all piece of meat. At world pvp quests you may freely kill other players as the game itself suggests. That’s why they’re pvp quests. Player versus player.
If you don’t think you should get killed with wm on while doing world pvp quests, you simply shouldn’t play wm on. It’s really not meant to be turned on by those who genuinely think that killing others is totally optional and not necessary. Like “you shouldn’t do it”-kinda guys. Yeah well you know what, I do it (kill other players), cause that’s why the wm exists.
It’s pretty much like saying that you should be able to play bgs without killing each other. What would be the point then? Once again, it’s called pvp for a reason.
While I typically don’t tend to attack other players in WPVP, if you enable War-Mode, you have made your choice, same as the people who used to Flag themselves for PvP in Classic. If anything, people engaging you in PvP IS them respecting your choice.
Except that choice is not clear, since some do it merely to get the reward associated with turning the flag on. You seem to think that turning the flag on means I made the choice to participate in PvP, but that is not the case.
Just like it isn’t the case when someone goes out to a club that their reason is the same as yours. You have to respect their reasons and choice. Same with warmode; as long as Blizzard attaches non-pvp rewards to it.
And then there’s rogues who are literally designed from the ground up to be dishonorable.
But I agree with this post on the whole. Doing world PvP is pretty much never the best way to gear up for PvP, and if Blizzard wants world PvP to succeed that’s going to have to change. And it should change, because world PvP is the one thing that WoW has that no other game can do.
This is like saying “just because I issued a bond does not mean I accept the possibility of a default” or something else like that. You explicitly signed up for it. You have elected to take a risk to hopefully reap a reward. The game was very clear that this was a trade-off. If this trade-off didn’t exist there would be no reason at all to ever not enable warmode as it would just be a bonus with no drawback.
It? You mean I signed up to be attacked by other people? No, no I didn’t.
I signed up to do 2 WQs and earn a bit of currency. THAT is what I signed up for.
And that’s a bad thing that Blizzard is forcing me to make such a choice.
They should NOT be luring players into such a trap by offering them rewards that have NOTHING to do with PvP.
Great, sounds awesome. But no; I want them to STOP offering rewards that have nothing to do with PvP for enabling warmode. THAT is what I want. Not for warmode to be neutered. Let people who WANT to fight in the open world enable warmode for THAT reason and that reason alone.
Sounds absolutely reasonable as far as I’m concerned.
A bond is when someone lends you money. So for example a bank might issue you a mortgage. They may earn interest on that, but it’s not a free money printing machine - you may default on your payment. They accept that risk in exchange for the reward of earning interest payments.
It’s the same bargain you make here. You get a bonus - but you take the risk of getting killed by a player.
If that were not the case it’d be a “print free money” scheme. You would ALWAYS enable warmode.
Yes you did. It says “Enlist in War Mode to activate World PvP, (…)”
You can do that outside of War Mode. This is not what War Mode means.
You can just ignore it. Like, just entirely ignore it. Hundreds of thousands of players are doing this and none of them are complaining about that choice. You’ll be fine.
It’d be nice to have some more PvP rewards in the open world, but no - I actually don’t think that sounds reasonable.
When you make that choice to be killable you are also potentially slowing yourself down. That’s what the bonus is for.
No I couldn’t. Because the transmog I wanted required a currency I could only get through those quests (and through wpvp, but I’m not getting involved in that).
But it is. And that very much is Blizzard’s fault.
They made PvP centric mode and try to lure people into it with non-pvp rewards. They shouldn’t do that.
Which is what people WANT. They WANT wpvp to be thing. So offer xp for killing other players in wpvp. THAT is a pvp reward. Add actual pvp activities to the world and give xp for those. Not extra xp for quests!
I’m not saying; don’t give them anything. But give them PVP RELATED REWARDS.
No. Just plain no. Get over it. War Mode comes with world PvP. It’s just like PvP servers and that’s the intention. It’s got some additional rewards. You want 'em? Go get 'em. With world PvP enabled.
They did that, too. You were complaining about it in this very post.
