Because instead of easy to learn hard to master as it was in older expansions like Mop, PvP has become extremely difficult to get into as a new player. Of course you can play warrior and mash buttons randomly but it will still only get you this far. And since more and more casuals leave wow you’ll end up with more tryhards.
Imagine if you are new league player and only play Vs diamond + players. It will be utterly hopeless.
And on top of that you also need to set up 20 different addons.
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Problem with Ret this season is the tierset is pretty bad compared to some other specs. It was one of the most successful and popular specs in Solo Shuffle last season, and last season it wasn’t even broken.
Are we in the last season?
If not, what’s your point with this one?
u what mate
never ever happened to me even once
and i play shuffle quite a lot
Most of the recent posts are just people who maybe got 1 unlucky situation and then starting pretending like every queue is the same or something.
When it isn’t.
Right now there are way too many posts of the type “omg why I play vs normal human players and not bots” and zero posts like “how to improve as X, how to push as X”
It’s even become pointless to give advice. People will just keep being crybabies for imaginary problems only they have. Meanwhile there’s people of the same spec with the same goals and same skill pushing rating and improving without crying their heart out
And the most popular counterarguement to what I just wrote is “well I have 30 minutes to play per week I have a life I should get free rating”
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havent seen those in a while xd
true
he means people with 10 characters at 2.4 and u meet them with their alt at 1.5. This is more than often. It happens even at 1.2
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thats when you know the games dead. season is gone thanks to blizz once again. ive seen +60 ppl bnet for over week and none is playing, i go lfg and theres no one either, only the ppl that still play shuffles are playing, and after few hours in lfg can get to play couple rounds against the most addicted to arenas pushing their 5th char on whatever low mmr as w/e 8x glad they are. i dont blame anyone who dont care play the game at this state and with this system. its in god awful state once again and the whole business with shuffle only rewarding dps and making heals only enable them games but wasting their nerves and time.
whats one suppose to even do on this game, just play dps with 30-60min ques into some mode that they dont enjoy nor anybody sensible enough care wait that long que to play, or just play 1800mmr vs the 8x glad 3kxp for lidl awc at the ratings that are way too low for this type of matchups. all choises are terrible, so we have dead game and no healers in the only mode that ppl still play but not the heals cause they are not rewarded on it as much as the dps are. good expansion, could just gone one more year with shadowlands instead at this point.
You disregard a main fact: there are a great many glads and elites with their alts at low rating. Possibly because the players pool is shrinking everyday. It s not about advice or strategies or improvement,. The more people quit, the more glads will be at low ratings making poeple quit even more.
A very good list.
I would also really like the devs to sit down and have dialogue with the playerbase and clearly communicate to them how do they want the different classes/specs play.
glad mounts are account wide
if i’ve got a glad as aff it doesnt mean i’m not utter trash as udk eg
and those people at “low ratings with glad mounts” are utter trash at their current classes as well
You don’t spot the glad with only the mount they’re on, if you didn’t know, there’s a thing called inspect achievements and you’ll find the glad rejects there, or, a simple inspect as well.
Classes don’t have as much difference in play-style that someone who’s overall good at pvp in the game won’t be able to play properly.
Are you really going to tell me that a glad reject rogue jumps on an ench shaman or havoc and he’s gonna struggle playing it?
Or let’s even go from a melee to a caster, the game experience will still be there.
yes
glads arent some superhumans
every <r1 player is garbage, and even them sometimes are playing like garbage
thats just the way it is, some are better at pressing their rotation and responding to CDs correctly
but does these abilities of a rogue help when a guy is playing a DH, a completely differently designed class? nope
u just dont see it as u’re obviously just like my friend who is 2200 himself but afraid of every 2400+ player like “oh look its a glad not gonna win this”
or “oh no its a glad rmp” LOL it their starter rating get over it
WoW is pve game, WoW pvp is garbage.
One has fel rush, the other shadow step, one has blind, the other imprison, one has kidney shot, the other fel spike/ fel nova
I suppose, there’s a lot of difference between chaos strike and eviscerate, one does fel dmg the other physical, you sure got me there.
Want me to do the same for defensive cds?
Tell me the difference, outside of cd and not sure tho, duration, between blur and evasion.
Call me nitpicky here, but saying there’s a big difference on how dps classes are played is quite funny to me, sure, there may be a diff between dot specs and burst ones, you have to reapply ur dots.
It’s not that I’m scared of them, do you think it’s fair to face someone more experienced than you at lower rank?
Go irl, and pick up a fight with a 12 years old, as a 25 years old and let me know how it went, is the 12 years old on equal ground?
Or let me put it in a different manner, as i did before in this thread, have a 3rd grader do 12th grade math equations and let me know how it went.
You’re defending their preying on new/average players like it’s some sort of job for them, I guess they’re scarred of a spatula and burgers, who knows.
imagine playing a new character with 0 gear and being on ur main’s mmr
do u think u will not ruin their (HEALERS BTW) games because u will always be 0-6 until u drop to low rating?
playing vs better people in equal gear allows u to adapt and improve
if u play vs noobs all the time u will just stomp or be stomped 50% of the times without learning anything
neither are true btw
chaos strike doesnt bypass physical bop nowadays
and doesnt bypass ams as well
and evis does physi+shadow damage
but thats not the topic
Pvp gear, due to how it scales, barely makes a real difference, a glad reject can get full aspirant, crafted items quite easy and be close, but not quite to “conquest” gear.
Playing into glad rejects was, is and will be only a stomp or be stomped, depending on which of them has to pay rent.
Playing vs better players doesn’t allow you to improve or adapt, playing with ur equals does, want to give you another example?
Have a bronze player in league face off a diamond, or even plat and let me know what the bronze player learned from it.
I’ve played in houses like that on league and the bronzie only learned that " wow, I wasn’t allowed to play".
Same thing occurs in shuffle too.
it’s not even about what bypasses bop or not, to put it in simpler way, maybe you’ll understand it easier, both are spenders that deal dmg and are, most of the time, the main spam button for dps.
u wot mate
i cant tell u anything about ret because i havent ever played one but man aff in full honor gear has like 27% mastery and does no damage whatsoever and aff in at least full set+crafted pieces has nearly to 70% mastery and althought it doesnt look like it still does much more damage than the honor geared one
eg i have a human warlock named Патокдрысни
go check-pvp my shuffle stat there
i was placed in 2.1 mmr first game in full honor gear
barely got out alive with 2-4
u think i, as an affli main with 2.6 3s and 3.3 s1 shuffle exp, would go 2-4 at 2.1 while at least having set+crafted pieces? kek
and yes i destroy people <1.8k even in full honor gear because i simply outplay them due to precog
Remarkable difference really, did you forget that to go in shuffle you need to have a minimum ilvl pvp gear on you?
This “gear diff” you speak of it lasts for 1-3 shuffle Qs, at best and 3-6 at worst, or it wont to begin with since you can get conquest from other places too, to gear up.
and there it is, you said it yourself, congratz on proving my point.
thats skill level difference
i dont want to play at <1.8, i HAVE to do it because i have no gear to compete with human beings with the rating above 1.8
u expect the skill to have no influence on the outcome? yeah thats pve i guess
shuffle gearing is nerfed af and it would take ages to gear through shuffles alone
and btw what point if im playing my MAIN spec i’ve played with since like s7 of wrath
i suck at any other class and barely get 1.8 on those, does it prove ur point somehow? XD
i know their rotation and CDs exactly but i cant press them in the right order in the middle of arena because im too used to playing my main