Why dragon riding makes me furious

So, here’s the thing. Several years ago Blizzard decided to remove flying at the launch of a new expansion, with players being able to unlock it again later through achievements. The main argument for this (and please correct me if I’m wrong) was so players could see the game world and appreciate all the hard work that had gone into it.

Okay, fair enough. Good argument, and the later unlock was a compromise people could live with.

Now, here comes Dragonflight. Almost straight from the start it turns out you have to be able to fly to do the content. But instead of allowing us to use our own mounts, we are forced into learning a system that - to me, anyway, feels clunky and lacks manoeuverability and control. But we have to use it, or we won’t be able to progress through the story.

And that, to me, is a huge problem. You are taking away player agency and choice, and force people to do stuff, even if they really don’t like it. And not just for a bit (such as a Torghast run or two, a spot of pvp’ing), but as the basis for the entire expansion.

Why have you not thought of making it optional? People who chose dragon riding get new, customizable and faster mounts. People who don’t, can use their own mounts. A clear choice, giving people agency over their playing experience, with the added advantage that you willl automatically learn how much of the player base actually likes the new system. You won’t learn that if you just force everyone to use it.

You had four options here, Blizzard: Remove flying with a later unlock, allow flying from the start, allow a choice between ‘normal’ flying and dragon riding, or make dragon riding mandatory - and you picked the worst one.

But that has been a problem for years, to my mind: The game devs come up with some nice ideas, and then take them way too far to be enjoyable for players. (See for instance the various incarnations of the mission table, to the point where in SL you needed an add-on like Venture Plan to help you set up missions - and even that took ages. Or the Covenants themselves, which must have driven pet/mount/mog collectors absolutely crazy considering the amount of time and anima needed to get everything. Or the ridiculous currency bloat - how many different ones did we have at the end of SL? I’ve lost count.)

Is it perhaps that you have trouble distinguishing between challenging players and trolling them?

As a side note, I for one prefer small mounts, so I can actually see the game world when I’m flying. To me, dragons and the like take up too much of the screen - defeating the ‘look at our work’ argument yet again. I also prefer control over speed.

All of that combined - being forced to use a system I don’t like for the entire expansion, the lack of choice, Blizzard undermining its own reason for removing flying without any valid argument I can think of - that is what makes me furious. It makes me feel a physical revulsion to dragon flying. These last two days I just had to log off to protect myself from my mounting anger, and my guildies from my rants.

And that is what makes me feel worst of all. I really enjoy raiding with my guild - and fair’s fair, the raids have been really good fun these last expansions - but I just can’t see myself leveling without harming myself. But as I am GM and raid leader of quite an old and lively guild, I don’t want to leave my guildies like this, and I would miss them, too.

So thanks for absolutely nothing, Blizzard, for making me feel this way and putting me in this position. My wrath and disdain are yours to do with as you see fit.

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I’m still in two minds about buying Dragonflight or not and this Dragon riding seems a bit off putting, thanks for the insight.

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Yep! This was suggested by many during beta and they did say they would be bringing in the normal flying later on into the expansion. Most likely the final season or once the hype train has come to a halt and subs start to drop off radically.

Though tons of our guildies have said even if they do bring back normal flying they most likely will stick to DF and that is mainly due to the speed and convenience it brings to getting from point A -B. Some even say its faster than the in game taxis.

Even if that may be I agree whole heartedly that DF should have been a choice. They can still do it and then limit the events that require dragon flying to the dragon mounts only.

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I think they will bring traditional flying very soon. I would still ride the new one though. Much more fun and fast, old flying is so boring in comparison.

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Again… you can use ground mount like every Start of an Expansion ever, if you really despite Dragon Riding.

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as for now i got a dragon and i have unlock the first 4 skills and for me that is ok i won’t go for the rest unless i by accident find glyph’s but i won’t look for them.

I am slightly inbetween your topic here.
On one hand i love the dragonflying, and i think it should be implemented into the standard flying, although with mounts with different functionality.
Ex; 3 types of mounts: Hovering (Helicopters, Jellyfish… etc) Mid-Range (Dragons, Birds, Gryphons… etc like dragonriding is now) and Speed (Serpents, Brooms… etc)

This would give a slight versatility too those that prefer a different type of flying, yet could be usefull for others in spesific situations.

I see some negatives with this though and some positives.
But all in all i think Dragonflying is here too stay, it’s fun and feels awesome.

In my honest opinion “normal” flying was a mistake from the get go.
It’s just like going in admin mode in minecraft. You zoom around without any effort or thought to it. There is no weight or interaction to it. You can stop on a dime and go instantly go full speed again by the press of a button. Dragon flying is how flying should be.

I do agree some mounts should still be available for simple hovering around (like the engineering Flying Machine) but they should be at a big speed disadvantage over the DF flying mounts. But even then I would like them to put some weight to it so you don’t just do a 0-100 and 100-0 on the touch of a button.

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I dislike the vigor requirements, but my rl buddy told me that once you have 6 vigor available you can pretty much get anywhere without worrying too much. That gives me comfort.

Furthermore the flying style is awesome compared to a regular mount where you just choose a direction and go afk until you’re where you need to be.

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I used

to collect the glyps, it took me around an hour, hour and a half tops
Worth it?
Yes

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If you’re struggling early on (like I was) you can ask a friend or Guild member for help.
You are able to unlock Glyphs while being taxi’d by another player.

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Complete opposite to me. Get all talents for dragon riding and it feels buttery smooth and incredibly enjoyable. Even mounting up and flying from A to B is a lot more enjoyable than it used to be. In-fact, flying in the old zones with old flying now feels clunky to me, and very weird.

Download the addon TomCat’s Tours, and Ctrl+Click it on your map and it’ll enable you to see all the glyphs you need to unlock.

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As far as I recall most of the quests, that I have done atleast, do not require you to use dragon flying at all. The quests I have seen where they ask you to use it had alternatives to reach your goal. The only exception is the one which teaches you how to use dragonriding.

Some of the side quests may require it though. I recall that there was one in the starting zone where you had to collect flowers to help a proto-whelp, but the main story ones aren’t locked behind it.

Did you try going through the questline without using dragonriding?

Bite the dust, snail! Weeeeeeee

i want to be avable to fly while afk ! dragonflying is BS !
allow us to use the old mounts !
whats is the point haveing 500+ mounts if u cant use them !

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I love DragonRiding.

My only gripe is how Blizzard does not have the guts to openly say how wrong they are about their statement in WoD where they say that flying detracts from the game.

DragonRiding made DF more fun

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I read the first paragraph and the last paragraph but I couldn’t deduce a reason so I felt forced to read the rest
I’m going to guess you do not have all the dragon glyphs yet, if you do not I highly reccomend going out of your way to first fill out your actual dragon flying tree, takes like a few minutes per zone and there’s only 4 zones. Once you have that talent table filled in dragonflying reaches a point where you just stay in the air indeffinetely and at that point its just build height and face in the direction you want to go, just like regular flying
Only at up to 840 speed instead of 310.
You cannot compare the dragonriding you get at level 62 in the ruby lifepools without any glyphs filled in with the final product, it is night and day difference.

I would totally love dragon riding if they had just copied and pasted it from GW2. Every mount (ground mounts, water mounts, flying mounts) in that game feel absolutely fluid and it’s a great pleasure using them.
In WoW riding always feels a bit clunky.

sincerely. you need to relearn how to fly and sometimes isn practical but… its an incredible experience… 1 hour ago there was an elite on the other side of the plains… i gave 3 hit of go up and 1 to fly ahead… and it was wonderful!!!
a mix of normal flyin (expecially when there are tress) and df flyin would be the perfect combo

Me too.
Took me hours over two days to do the intro tutorial quests but I’m past them and will use it to get from A to B (if I can, keep getting stuck on the side of mountains which often d/c’s me) but I won’t be doing races or such.
I wish the Intro quests had been side quests for those wishing to engage in it but not forced.
Also I wish they hadn’t put all the quest objectives on the top of towers, mountain peaks, cliff ledges and similar. I can never land close to where they are and I need to find a path up to them. This Dragonridig isn’t as optional as I’d like it to be.