Why i am unsubbing - elitists griefing casuals

[Halicos-terokkar]

Ahahaha good ones.

[Valtharíen-magtheridon (Valtharíen)]

I don’t understand people like you who refuse to do anything that is a little bit challenging and use “i have no time” excuse.

I view myself as casual player and yet i can find time to do heroics and m+10s. It takes me 3 days of the week(1 or 2 these days).

[Nerika-quelthalas]

Which is why you are posting an a low level alt rather than your main.

Lol, this always makes me laugh. The assumption about why people don’t post ‘on their main’. There may be a few reasons for that:

1. Perhaps they don’t actually have a ‘main’ character but play several.
2. Perhaps they do have a main character but don’t like the idea of posting in the forums on in case something gets taken out of context and they get stalked in-game (a bit extreme I know but I have heard that it happens sometimes) by the people who were offended.
3. Perhaps their main character changes depending on what they do with the character so they post as one particular one to keep things consistent (which is what I do since I don’t actually have a ‘main’).
4. Perhaps it’s no-one else’s business why people to choose to post on the characters they do!

That being said, you are probably correct in that the OP is just venting and will unlikely quit!

[Destruct-runetotem (Destruct)]

Lol, this always makes me laugh. The assumption about why people don’t post ‘on their main’. There may be a few reasons for that:

1. Perhaps they don’t actually have a ‘main’ character but play several.
2. Perhaps they do have a main character but don’t like the idea of posting in the forums on in case something gets taken out of context and they get stalked in-game (a bit extreme I know but I have heard that it happens sometimes) by the people who were offended.
3. Perhaps their main character changes depending on what they do with the character so they post as one particular one to keep things consistent (which is what I do since I don’t actually have a ‘main’).
4. Perhaps it’s no-one else’s business why people to choose to post on the characters they do!

Yep:

1. True with me, I switched mains since SoO per expansion. SoO being the first semi-main (had 2 then) switch
2. Had guilds who forbid it, so I won’t post with my current main no matter if a guild allows it or not just to be safe
3. Hardly ever switch, I like to have all post on the forums under 1 char.

[Laffey-kirin-tor]

Lol, this always makes me laugh. The assumption about why people don’t post ‘on their main’. There may be a few reasons for that:

1. Perhaps they don’t actually have a ‘main’ character but play several.
2. Perhaps they do have a main character but don’t like the idea of posting in the forums on in case something gets taken out of context and they get stalked in-game (a bit extreme I know but I have heard that it happens sometimes) by the people who were offended.
3. Perhaps their main character changes depending on what they do with the character so they post as one particular one to keep things consistent (which is what I do since I don’t actually have a ‘main’).
4. Perhaps it’s no-one else’s business why people to choose to post on the characters they do!

People that cry about that makes me laugh a lot.
I love my little Dark Iron Dwarf face on the forums.

[Lunarei-grim-batol]

Check out the Scared of Dungeons community, we are just like you! There is no toxicity here. (Alliance) Scared of Dungeons EU EN

[Hínáta-kazzak (Hínáta)]

You’re either living in a dream, didn’t interact with players enough or just a victim of this terrible trend where people start to put their emotions way too much into the internet.

Back then you’d see people blatantly being racist, spewing off bile that would create a witch hunt on nowadays internet and no one would even bat an eye.

Thing’s like you momma jokes were considered the tamest, and even the jokes themselves were sometimes too far.

Difference is, no one cared back then and now everybody cares.

You still get banned back then if someone reported you just as you would now, but back then no one even cared enough to report, in contrary to now where you can get banned for simply telling some one the F word because you’ll probably going to get mass reported by them and the outraged masses, which really isn’t a bad thing, but saying that gaming is more toxic now is a blatant lie, it’s just more conservative and generally afraid to interact in the fear that you might trigger some random snowflake.

It got to the point where sometimes disagreeing with someone or telling them nope, you might trigger them to the point where they call you borderline abusive or straight up abusive

[Jalnor-argent-dawn]

The OP isn’t quitting, they are just using it for dramatic effect. What a sad attempt for attention grabbing.

Hence they have one post and haven’t come back to reply to anyone. At least not on the character used for the first post.

[Ishayu-frostmane (Ishayu)]

When i enter a bg, i find that it is full of 410+ gladiators that are farming “scrubs” in random bgs. Yeah, these people have no interest in competing doing rated content, they just go there - get the gear, an then pwn casuals in random bgs. That is what get them off.
It’s the same as twinking but at endgame: you go to a bracket with lower geared people so you can destroy them without effort. That is their idea of fun.

BG’s have no brackets.

Are you seriously suggesting to me that PvP’ers should not be allowed to go casual mode and have some fun in BG’s for a few hours while they wait for their PvP partners to come online to do arena? Come on, that’s just sad. Stop blaming other players for you being bad at it. I’m sure if you asked nicely, instead of posting this toxic waste of a post, they’d gladly help you. There are dozens of written guides out there for a reason, you know!

I had friends during legion that enjoyed the casual pvp random bgs offered (due to stat templates), same as me. They could log in and play a few hours, enjoying some bgs.

Currently if you want to have any chance in random bgs, you better do mythic+ or raiding or whatever carry gets you 400+ ilevel. Because these elitists will come to the lower unrated pvp, and unleash all their no lifed fury on you.

You do realise that other than trinkets, nothing has changed gear-wise from Legion to BfA in BG’s, right? The item levels are still massively squished together.

The other part this applies is on mythic 0s and normal raids, basically any content that isn’t applied through the group finder. When you enter here as a casual player, you’ll find the exactly same toxicity. People will take their addons to measure your performance as if you were competing for some silly e-sport award, and not just playing a game in your downtime… Then say “vote tick”. And people will kick you, “you’re bad”. Epic troll, and waste of your 30m+ time. “HAHAHA THAT NOOB GOT SERVED!!”.

Stop asking people to carry you and pull your own weight. Tired of toxic groups? Make your own.

Oh, you can’t? Don’t worry, I’ll get back to that.

Sometimes without reason, because they are just a few guild buddies that said
“hey bro i’m bored, how about we organise a normal raid and show the scrubs who is boss??” They aren’t there for gear, or the encounter. Their whole purpose is to troll, annoy, and waste the time of casual players who are low geared.

What the heck does it matter if someone else outside your group does a raid you’re not in? Get over yourself.

This elitist attitude is what makes the game toxic for casuals, and what is making many people quit.

No, the reason people are quitting is because the game’s communities are falling apart at the same seams because BfA’s systems are underwhelming and boring, especially because they are tuned to be very easy. Further, the game has no way to get players organised again for longer than the group they need for the content they’re doing.

Because of the loss of different communities that last long and have an understanding of their place in the world and share that understanding and work to improve it, the game has divided itself into those who already have friends and therefore don’t have to deal with the toxic PuG life, and those who don’t and therefore must deal with the toxic PuG life. There is no longer any reasonable way out of the toxic PuG life.

The OP is suffering from a problem that’s downstream from LFR, LFD, group finders, CRZ, sharding, phasing, and all the rest of it, and now he’s become so embittered and toxic that nobody is going to want to deal with him, and this is the end of the line. Unfortunately, nobody here is going to admit this problem is real and they’re going to flame me for suggesting there’s a connection yet again.

So i am leaving, i don’t want a game when i will always be at the mercy and disadvantage of elitists that get off making other players suffer. This is why MMORPGs are dropping in favor of games that don’t need you to spend 300+ hours to be at a modest level of equality to the other players. I want a game i can have fun and is not a second job.

Yeah, obviously. Those p2w grindy mobile games are totally not about making players grind for hundreds of hours to compete, are they now?

Oh wait.

Please tone down the salt. Maybe if you did that you’d be lucid for long enough to learn how to actually play, and then the problems could be overcome.

[Oldmanbarry-emeriss]

People keep saying so, but I highly doubt it.

• Ninjaing? Was a big deal up till the introduction of Personal Loot.
• Misdirect a boss to someone you didn’t like in AV so they died? I need more fingers to count those times.
• Bullying players by inviting them to a guild and then kicking them just because they were bad, repeating that several times? Happened since classic.
• Ravage an in-game funeral? Done in classic.
• Max-level camping a lowbie? Since day 1 (well…).
• Giving someone directions to Darnassus while they asked where Booty Bay was? Yep, regular Trade-chat behaviour.
• Kicking players randomly without too much reason? Pff, there were real “”“awesome”"" leaders back then
• Powerabuse? All the time.
• Messing up a BG because well you couldn’t be bothered anymore? Yep.
• Going afk during Gruul because they were hungry? Happened
• Tank going afk mid-fight, yep

alot of this still happens today more than ever before actually. max level camping happens more than ever due to pve tourists in warmode. Ninjaing wa snever such a huge problem as you implied either. it happened sometimes and the guys who did it got bad reputations on their servers for it

Ravaging an ingame funeral? dont kid yourself thats 100% going to happen again nowadays if people announce one. especially with shard hopping.

kicking people without too much reason? you must be new there are more topics about that than ever before, with premades doing that kind of stuff. It happened way less during those days because nobody wanted to wait an hour for another person to walk all the way there.

You mention afking during gruul or tanks going afk… bfa is such an afk fest. people often even announce it proudly that they are afk during raids, bgs or warfronts.

Alot of the things you mention happen more than ever now. so yes it certainly has become much more toxic. but its not just wow. Its in alot of games because the audience for games has become bigger instead of just “nerds” over the years

[Valkiá-argent-dawn (Valkiá)]

Maybe you are just not as good as you believe you are.
We’ve had PvP templates where gear basically meant nothing at all and casuals were still getting ROFLSTOMPED into the ground by people very experienced in PvP.
Gear alone is not gonna make you the stomper.

[Magiola-darksorrow]

Alot of the things you mention happen more than ever now. so yes it certainly has become much more toxic.

I honestly think you’ve been playing (if even) this game back then with a pair of pink-glasses on your nose . It may be a little more (can’t say, don’t have the numbers to proof either side of that statement) now, but for real, those issues were quite alive back then too. And that was the whole point I was trying to make here.

Yes all those points (well perhaps ninjaing not so much anymore) happen now too, but who are we kidding…it didn’t start in the last years. It has been there from the very beginning.

Ninjaing wa snever such a huge problem as you implied either. it happened sometimes and the guys who did it got bad reputations on their servers for it

Who are you kidding here? Bad rep didn’t solve anything (such a great argument from classic fans, stuck with an “everything was better” ideology). Why else do you think they implemented a system to avoid ninjaing from happening over the years. Starting by making Group-loot spec/class-specific followed by a Personal Loot system to counter those greedy raid leaders / master looters. Not a big deal, right, it happened a lot regardless of the consequences to one’s reputation

[Oldmanbarry-emeriss]

Who are you kidding here? Bad rep didn’t solve anything (such a great argument from classic fans, stuck with an “everything was better” ideology). Why else do you think they implemented a system to avoid ninjaing from happening over the years. Starting by making Group-loot spec/class-specific followed by a Personal Loot system to counter those greedy raid leaders / master looters. Not a big deal, right, it happened a lot regardless of the consequences to one’s reputation

It didnt solve everything but again, like i said most of the things you mentioned happens 1000 times more than they used to.

Maybe you were on a garbage server or you were the one acting like a jerk, but i barely ever had problems with people misbehaving badly besides some occasional low lvl ganking back then

[Metaljaw-defias-brotherhood]

You failed to survive the basic WoW experience.

And by the way, if you think battlegrounds are bad now, you should have seen them several years ago where a fresh leveled player with low gear got one-two shotted by someone packing high end gear.

[Swordart-drakthul (Swordart)]

GCD is 0,75s at minimum for offensive/defensive CDs you have 0 idea.
Avoid talking about anything you have no knowledge of.

[Swordart-drakthul (Swordart)]

i miss these days.

[Brianboru-outland]

GCD is 0,75s at minimum for offensive/defensive CDs you have 0 idea.
Avoid talking about anything you have no knowledge of.

That is the WOW GCD, we were discussing another MMO.

[Destruct-runetotem (Destruct)]

Who are you kidding here? Bad rep didn’t solve anything (such a great argument from classic fans, stuck with an “everything was better” ideology). Why else do you think they implemented a system to avoid ninjaing from happening over the years. Starting by making Group-loot spec/class-specific followed by a Personal Loot system to counter those greedy raid leaders / master looters. Not a big deal, right, it happened a lot regardless of the consequences to one’s reputation

It did solve it, even during Cata I had a rep for doing pugs and mount runs of WotLK raids in complete honesty. Once 1 person tried to claim I ninjaed the mount and he was destroyed by trade chat because they knew I was a honest player who had given the mount 7 times already despite me still needing it (I kept losing rolls and I had a new person every week replacing the guy who got it the last week).

I have seen a GM during Cata strip the ninja of a FL pug 15 minutes after being reported for taking the mount and kicking everybody at Rag (he was showing of in the dwarven district). The same or anathor GM helped us solve a loot issue (couldn’t loot) and changed us all into gnomes for Ultraxxion. I miss when the GMs would actually show up ingame. that Ninja was the only Ninjaing I saw during Cata, non during MoP and once in WoD. I don’t know which people or guilds you met that you experienced ninjaing alot that enforced PL was the solution.

First thing I did was read the description of the pug and ask the RL to confirm it. If no hard words, I wouldn’t join. This way even a potential ninja knew they would be watched and even reported if they dared. “So it’s ML and highest roll wins?” > ML: “Correct”. That took like 3-5 sec per raid.

[Valkiá-argent-dawn (Valkiá)]

The other part this applies is on mythic 0s and normal raids, basically any content that isn’t applied through the group finder. When you enter here as a casual player, you’ll find the exactly same toxicity. People will take their addons to measure your performance as if you were competing for some silly e-sport award, and not just playing a game in your downtime… Then say “vote tick”. And people will kick you, “you’re bad”. Epic troll, and waste of your 30m+ time. “HAHAHA THAT NOOB GOT SERVED!!”.

If you’re doing less than the tanks of the group and clearly can’t be bothered to remotely learn your rotation even just a little just spamming 1 or 2 buttons over and over again while pulling 3k DPS in ilvl 400 gear do you really expect the rest of the group to carry you?
And if you do, arn’t you the one wasting their time and basically trolling them?

[Nerika-quelthalas]

This is perhaps a little off topic but I would like to thank whoever invented the term ‘roflstomped!’ It doesn’t matter if I agree with whatever the comment is that term is contained in or not, the term itself always makes me laugh out loud!