You already declared I not open to new players , I’m not open for the new people who just hit this new key barrier. I’m inclusive I have no patience for mistakes. I have no patience for new players. I have no patience to try and help and grow a player. I have no incentive to make friends them.
I just want to do a key and be done. F everyone else.
There’s so little you can get from watching a video , compared to hands on in game experience with other players.
You’ve said yeh well F that , F those players they are bad declined/ignored , time to trash talk them.
It’s not a personal attack, it’s an attack on your views. People like Deastra seem to think that disagreing with something on a fundamental level is unacceptable. I think kicking people from normal dungeons and skipping bosses and creating an environment where players need to follow some meta or die is horrible. It is not for the players to fix it because it’s like fighting windmills, people want to be efficient and want to put their gain above everything else. Things like this and toxicity in general should be prevented. Not to a point where we live in care-bear land where you can go lalala when somebody says something you don’t like, because those things should be solved (or not) mostly through discussion, but through means of design that do not create situations where one person playing the game has to suffer for wanting to play the game. Probably on a fundamental level, where skipping is not possible or in the case of dungeons alltogether through a mentor system.
A proper mentor system that would put a learning player and en experienced player and together and give that experienced player an incentive to be patient and teach, all the way to a +15. I wouldn’t mind helping people like this but the problem is that currently my incentive is 50k that I make from technically external sources. Even tho I like the gold, I don’t think this is a good direction. A system that rewards players with mounts, tmog, unique stuff you can’t buy with gold, for tutoring would solve many issues.
Look i agree on the " view " thing. I remember when people were complaining in droves about the druid army multiboxers in Naz’jatar. Puny response was " it’s not against tos so your opinions are void stop QQ’ing. "
Then Blizz acknowledged it was a problem and they did something about it. Puny’s response was " Well Blizz confirmed it’s a problem now so I’m on your side , good riddance" So double faced.
That’s doesn’t mean i dislike Puny she/he very active member. Just didn’t like her/his stance on that particular subject. People claimed that’s harrasment and attack on Puny which is not true. Disagreeing with someone isn’t a personal attack. Or at least it didn’t uyse to be /shrug
It’s not really hard to work out you were talking about me when I was most active in that discussion. Nor is it representative of me or my views. It’s just a nasty bit of bashing, you are attacking me and making some pretty horrible statements which aren’t remotely true.
I was talking about you, it’s not like I denied it. I stand by what I said, you shouldn’t be supporting this, as a person with a green name. You should be combating it. Maybe this sounds harsher than I want it to be, but I think your views on kicking people aren’t acceptable and shouldn’t be. Are you saying that kicking people like this is not ruthless?
People like you are why the requirements are so strict though. It comes down to people wanting to find people at or above their own level. If they regularly steamroll HC, they want to steamroll HC in a pug too. They do not want to reprogress content they already have with people new to it.
Being an MVP does not require me to have some chip implanted, I am still entitled to my own opinions. I just don’t stoop to low tactics or insult others when it comes to discussions. I understand people have different points of view. I also totally understand and sympathise with those that want to do things that they can’t because their group does not want to.
I think your views that you get to dictate to four other people who they are going to do content are wrong. I believe it’s a group effort and a group consensus needs to be reached.
You ignored everything I said in that discussion. You ignored that I personally don’t kick people, I personally go with the flow, I personally just respect the group wishes and either kill all or skip. You ingored that Blizzard could fix this issue and all the suggestions that I and others make that would change the behaviour in that dungeon.
You want someone to demonise because a group of players kicked you from a group. Well you are barking up the wrong tree.
I did start talking about a mentor system, with an incentive tho, if there is a solution it’s probably that. I used to boost a person in Legion for the same reason. She wanted to be tutored and she wanted to avoid the toxicity that happened to her in keys because of being bad. Boosts aren’t the best way of improving yourself. I don’t see them as a problem, but more of a solution that is there that is far from optimal.
Requirements are strict because the content is challenging.
Go take a look at Classic WoW. The sense of community is much stronger there. Grouping together for Dungeons and Raids is a far simpler and easier process. Why? Because the content is easy enough that you don’t need to impose tough requirements on everyone. Just get however many people you need and you’re set for what’s likely to be a chill and relaxed game experience with other WoW players.
You don’t get that in Retail WoW because everyone is always pushing the toughest difficulty they can, so every Dungeon and Raid is a tense experience where the stakes are high and everything is on the line and your group better know what they’re doing!
It’s entirely within Blizzard’s own hands to design the game so it either encourages a fun and relaxing experience that everyone can easily participate in, or a challenging and difficult experience that seperates the really good players from all the rest.
The wow community has clearly put themselves in a cultural unfriendly cycle
Players are more demanding = higher requirements , ilvl’s and scores being so important = boosting and rampant boe buying
Those players in turn are pushing the same requirements on a lower tier of players who can’t afford it. Either because they don’t have the gold or don’t want to spend their irl cash / simply don’t have the irl cash. So those players feel worthless and quit.
It is indeed a horrible meta we’ve got ourselves into. I blame many factors , youtubers and content creators for sure. They are the meta installers , also they make fun of badly geared players or low achievement points or don’t have any rare mounts etc. Their followers take that attitude they just watched or read back into the game.
The mount rewards also push toxicity , when you’re riding a ksm mount you’re saying " look at me i’m a good player" Other players feel pushed and compelled to have the same or they could be discarded or just mocked by their community , it’s also time limited.
So solutions Schmusedecke ? How do you remove bad ideologies and ethics from an online space. Especially going into 4 years of the this high end meta ?
Look at classic alot of players felt alienated because the same " meta " was pushed into those servers as well despite the difficulty being far far lower.
