Why I feel like Quitting the Lore For Good.

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11/11/2018 17:57Posted by Arctur
Do tell me about this "Human-centered world",


You and I know, that the leadership roles are always handed to ''humans'' on Azeroth.

Take Khadgar, for example. I mean, this know-it-all of the younger races meddles in everyone's affairs. From WoD to Legion this NPC was simply insuffrable. Now, Blizzard toned him down a bit .... but, only to hand the scepter over to Anduin - and guess what, he's human, too.

Turalyon ran affairs on Argus. Heaven forbid, it be a native Draenei.

Jaina, Arthas, Greymane, Varian, etc., all human NPCs taking center-stage and other races just dance to their tune. If that isn't ''human''-centered, I don't know what is.

By the way, it is not about ''human''-hating, at all. It is about being fed up with the patronizing human club other races are constantly being hit with.
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11/11/2018 19:17Posted by Durlan
11/11/2018 18:59Posted by Halasibel
We do. The pack looks after its own.

We also bite.

Hail Greymane!


Hail Greymane!

11/11/2018 18:59Posted by Halasibel
Just wait for Araphant to comment here.


*insert dreadful Araphant comment.....*


Hail Greymane!
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People say that humans had 0 spotlight in Legion but forget that the main city was Dalaran a former human nation/kingdom and one of the main characters was KHADGAR.

Humans always have a part in the story. And that’s more than okay, just so long as it doesn’t come at the expense of other races, which it often does.
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11/11/2018 01:00Posted by Taxania
No, but you certainly care more than most people do and more than most people should.

This

Wow is best enjoyed, when you enjoy it for fun gameplay (yeah.. bad timing) and not the lore. Not only are the writers handicapped by MMORPG limitations, the story has been going on for way too long by now. Most things have already been done and the fanbase is incredibly divided on the opinion how things should go forward.

If you can't lower you standards for wow lore, you are going to have a bad time period.
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12/11/2018 08:08Posted by Anouk
11/11/2018 01:00Posted by Taxania
No, but you certainly care more than most people do and more than most people should.

This

Wow is best enjoyed, when you enjoy it for fun gameplay (yeah.. bad timing) and not the lore. Not only are the writers handicapped by MMORPG limitations, the story has been going on for way too long by now. Most things have already been done and the fanbase is incredibly divided on the opinion how things should go forward.

If you can't lower you standards for wow lore, you are going to have a bad time period.


But most importantly don't compare it to your own awesome head canon.
the writers will never stand a chance then.
I don't mind speculations at all, but must people hating on the story seems to have made up their own idea of how the world works, how strong or weak something is, and from there tries to dictate everything.

You are going to end up very disappointed.
if that's how you view the lore as a whole.

So, speculate away but remember always you are not the one writing the story.
it is someone else who clearly disagrees with your view of things, if you get so pissed about it.
You just need to take your own version and see it for what it is.
-fan made-

Hail Greymane!
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12/11/2018 10:50Posted by Durlan
Hail Greymane!


Him we praise above all! Hail Greymane!
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12/11/2018 10:50Posted by Durlan
I don't mind speculations at all, but must people hating on the story seems to have made up their own idea of how the world works, how strong or weak something is, and from there tries to dictate everything.

Spot on.

12/11/2018 10:50Posted by Durlan
Hail Greymane!


12/11/2018 11:05Posted by Araphant
Him we praise above all! Hail Greymane!

Meh
He disappointed me lately... During legion he was all anti-horde, but now that we are fighting them, he became Anduin's bootlicker and is talking lots of peace nonsense.
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12/11/2018 11:40Posted by Anouk
He disappointed me lately... During legion he was all anti-horde, but now that we are fighting them, he became Anduin's bootlicker and is talking lots of peace nonsense.


Greymane talking peace? Never happened, never will. He also fights in Darkshore because debt, and not bootlicking.
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12/11/2018 11:49Posted by Araphant
Greymane talking peace? Never happened, never will. He also fights in Darkshore because debt, and not bootlicking.

Genn "#notallforsaken" Greymane
Genn "Anduin can I help Tyrande pretty please" Greymane

This is not the original Warden Tower Greymane I know and love.
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12/11/2018 11:58Posted by Anouk
This is not the original Warden Tower Greymane I know and love.


*pushes fingers into his ears*

Lalalalala, I can't hear you! Greymane never talked peace, never will!
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11/11/2018 18:29Posted by Arctur
Before Battle for Azeroth, 0 expansion zones were centered around Humans. However, 3 Legion zones were centered around Elves, and 2 Warlords of Draenor zones were centered around Draenei.

You're pathetic, Human haters.


Good to know Kul'Tirans aren't humans.
Also in Legion Darlaran and it's mages aren't humans too. (I'm not saying that they were center of attention but you gotta be kidding me if you claim that they had no story whatsoever. )
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12/11/2018 12:03Posted by Zakkaru
Good to know Kul'Tirans aren't humans.

11/11/2018 18:29Posted by Arctur
Before Battle for Azeroth


12/11/2018 12:03Posted by Zakkaru
Also in Legion Darlaran and it's mages aren't humans too. (I'm not saying that they were center of attention but you gotta be kidding me if you claim that they had no story whatsoever. )

There were also some Human pirates in Legion and Vrykul are basically Human because they are their ancestors.
There are also Gnome mages in Dalaran, so we got our desperately needed Gnome lore as well.

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I think it is very much up for interpretation whether you can qualify something as racial lore just because some individuals of that race appear in it.

Dalaran is no longer just a Human city and it hasn't been for a long time.

Would you be happy if Darkspear never got any lore again, but there's is plenty of Zandalari (completely different Trolls) lore? Maybe you don't like the Zandalari and would much rather have Darkspear related stuff.

Very difficult subject without a real answer.
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10/11/2018 23:13Posted by Arctur
Because they'll forget about them totally in 8.2 against Azshara - that is their number 1 enemy, been part of thier lore from day 1, her naga always attacking night elven lands and trying to kill them.

So what, there are other Alliance races who have suffered just as much as the Night Elves because of Azshara. Such as the Kul Tiran Humans, whose legendary fleet was cursed and imprisoned for weeks by Azshara and her dark servants, and Fort Daelin was invaded by the Naga. Without even taking the "dark secret" beneath the Stormsong Valley into account, which will become a raid tied to Azshara.

In particular, the fabled Kul Tiran Fleet will make for a great weapon to use against the ugly Azshara, since it is blessed by the very sacred magics of the Tides.

But what's more, It is clear that Kul Tirans will play an even more active role in the battle against N'zoth, who directly threatens Boralus and must be dealt with.

10/11/2018 23:06Posted by Kalibas
and are more appealing than humans


Since when did your personal opinion become an universal fact?


Weeks. Weeks. Hear that? This humie suffered for WEEKS. My god poor thing! Hey, you! 10k year old Elf, whose entire family was murdered during the Sundering. Move, this poor pink pig skin is suffering for WEEKS!!!!
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If you don't like Humans, there are many MMORPGs out there where Humans are hardly present. NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PLAY THIS GAME. If you do, accept that Humans will always have a lot more presence ON A BASIS (not always) than all other Alliance races. Deal with it.

11/11/2018 21:53Posted by Leafie
Take Khadgar, for example. I mean, this know-it-all of the younger races meddles in everyone's affairs. From WoD to Legion this NPC was simply insuffrable. Now, Blizzard toned him down a bit .... but, only to hand the scepter over to Anduin - and guess what, he's human, too.

Turalyon ran affairs on Argus. Heaven forbid, it be a native Draenei.

Jaina, Arthas, Greymane, Varian, etc., all human NPCs taking center-stage and other races just dance to their tune. If that isn't ''human''-centered, I don't know what is.


When I'm talking about "Humans", I refer to "Alliance-affiliated Humans" only. Obviously you realize that it doesn't make sense to talk about Humans in general. If Arthas is a Human character, then Gul'dan is a Horde character. Clearly you realize that this is not the case.

Khadgar has been neutral since Warlords, Indeed he was the one of the Council of Six who promoted the return of the Horde in the city after the Purge.

Earlier I said that Turalyon was a Human character in Legion, but I made a mistake. It wasn't Alliance yet. So he doesn't count, not unless you consider Elisande an Horde character too.

Arthas ceased being an Alliance character in Chaper 6 of the Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos Human campaign.

Jaina barely played any role in Warlords and in Legion she was absent for the entirety of the expansion. Of course she is now playing a pivotal role for obvious reasons. Not having Jaina in Patch 8.0-8.1 would be like not having any Alliance Draenei character in Warlords of Draenor.

If Greymane is a Human character (because Worgen are cursed Humans), then Nathanos is also a Human character.

As for Varian, he hardly did anything in Warlords and died at the beginning of Legion.

People say that humans had 0 spotlight in Legion but forget that the main city was Dalaran a former human nation/kingdom and one of the main characters was KHADGAR.

A city which architecture is a mixture of Human and Elven style, whose people is multi-ethnic, and whose ruling council isn't even fully comprised of Humans.

Also in Legion Darlaran and it's mages aren't humans too.

Then I suppose that Kul Tiran is also Night Elven-centric, since there are Kaldorei sentinels in Drustvar.

12/11/2018 13:31Posted by Sòlry
Weeks. Weeks. Hear that? This humie suffered for WEEKS. My god poor thing! Hey, you! 10k year old Elf, whose entire family was murdered during the Sundering. Move, this poor pink pig skin is suffering for WEEKS!!!!


Hey you, Night Elf whose people are busy wasting time in Darkshore and whose fleet is greatly weakened, don't even bother trying to help against Azshara, since you're not going to be of any use.
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11/11/2018 21:53Posted by Leafie
11/11/2018 17:57Posted by Arctur
Do tell me about this "Human-centered world",


You and I know, that the leadership roles are always handed to ''humans'' on Azeroth.

Take Khadgar, for example. I mean, this know-it-all of the younger races meddles in everyone's affairs. From WoD to Legion this NPC was simply insuffrable. Now, Blizzard toned him down a bit .... but, only to hand the scepter over to Anduin - and guess what, he's human, too.

Turalyon ran affairs on Argus. Heaven forbid, it be a native Draenei.

Jaina, Arthas, Greymane, Varian, etc., all human NPCs taking center-stage and other races just dance to their tune. If that isn't ''human''-centered, I don't know what is.

By the way, it is not about ''human''-hating, at all. It is about being fed up with the patronizing human club other races are constantly being hit with.


Hear hear, a quote for truth.

I don't hate humans, quite the opposite actually, but I am sick of the constant leadership role shoved down all the other races, the alliance rather than separate complete and individual races, seems like the Human Kingdom of the Alliance, identity of and from other races lost or suppressed, because they have to have humans there, everyone has to be that less amazing, suck just that bit more, so humans can swoop in and save the day..

Night elves in wow just don't seem to be able to save themselves or action anything meaningful against the horde or world enemies without humans swooping in, taking the lead to show these poor damsel how it's done, show their Mages how it's done (despite having
Nelves prolific in their magic for over 10k years, and the ist goes on. With Kul'Tiran druids, if the trend continues we shall be having Drust druids out nature night elven druids and when demon hunters open up to more races, wanna bet we will have some amazing human, come and show all those elven Illidari how it's done... If nothing changes.

I mean night elves were the first to study and master magic reaching heights 10k years ago that surpass today's standard, then add to that highborne, Moonguard and nightborne have been using the arcane in intact cities and fortresses, so they lost very little knowledge that Long vigil elves and high elves completely lost, and yet, come BAG, Jaina is out magicing Thalyssra, night elf mages are kirin'tor students and it is Khadgar, rather than the likes of Evenshade, or Estulan that discovers Thalyssra's message, introduces you to Azsuna, and goes through with you for Suramar and the Tomb of Sargeras, I guess no suitable elf could be found.
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Khadgar has been neutral since Warlords, Indeed he was the one of the Council of Six who promoted the return of the Horde in the city after the Purge.

*since TBC

12/11/2018 13:31Posted by Sòlry
Weeks. Weeks. Hear that? This humie suffered for WEEKS. My god poor thing! Hey, you! 10k year old Elf, whose entire family was murdered during the Sundering. Move, this poor pink pig skin is suffering for WEEKS!!!!

This isn't the RP forum, but ok: Are we going to compare races relative to their existence in the world now? So if an elf suffers something its worse because they lived for longer? I guess then we have to bring up the good old: Night Elves are a pathetically stagnant and regressive race, having less technological advance in over 10k years than what Humans achieved in less than 100 years.
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12/11/2018 10:50Posted by Durlan
I don't mind speculations at all, but must people hating on the story seems to have made up their own idea of how the world works, how strong or weak something is, and from there tries to dictate everything.


This.
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12/11/2018 16:29Posted by Anouk
*since TBC


Oh right! The thing is, before Khadgar became sexy all of a sudden in Warlords, he was an ugly old man in The Burning Crusade, so I kind of forgot that they were the same person.

12/11/2018 16:29Posted by Anouk
This isn't the RP forum, but ok: Are we going to compare races relative to their existence in the world now? So if an elf suffers something its worse because they lived for longer? I guess then we have to bring up the good old: Night Elves are a pathetically stagnant and regressive race, having less technological advance in over 10k years than what Humans achieved in less than 100 years.


Furthermore, Kul Tirans have suffered just as much at the hands of Azshara as the Night Elves. Who was responsible for the corruption of an entire zone + one of the four noble houses? Who was responsible for the general Old God invasion of Kul Tiras (Anglepoint Wharf, Fort Daelin...)? Who was responsible for cursing the entire Kul Tiran Fleet, including thousands upon thousands of sailors, for a long time (I said weeks, I guessed, it is not confirmed how long that was)?

Without even talking about N'zoth, whose body is dangerously under Kul Tiras.

JUST ACCEPT THAT KUL TIRANS WILL PLAY A PIVOTAL ROLE IN THIS EXPANSION. It's THEIR expansion. Period.

As I said, no one is forcing you to play this game. If you don't like Humans having such an important part in the storyline, then quit. There are thousands of MMORPGs out there where Humans are pretty weak/irrelevant and Elves are total badasses.

This, my dear friends, will always be a franchise about Humans and Orcs. If you can't stand that, then there's the door ---->

It would be as if I watched Game of Thrones and complained that too much time is spent on political drama. It doesn't work like that.
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12/11/2018 16:58Posted by Zarao
12/11/2018 10:50Posted by Durlan
I don't mind speculations at all, but must people hating on the story seems to have made up their own idea of how the world works, how strong or weak something is, and from there tries to dictate everything.


This.


it is seriously becoming annoying at this point to be frank.
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Oh right! The thing is, before Khadgar became sexy all of a sudden in Warlords, he was an ugly old man in The Burning Crusade, so I kind of forgot that they were the same person.

I'll never forget and never forgive him for this terrible Shattrath-tourguide quest!