I think it’s pretty safe to say at this point that the people against are the minority. Maybe you are part of the playerbase that is trying to ruin the game for others, just food for thought.
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Same could apply to your question. Where is your source that only minority part of players want df?
AFAIK Blizzard didn’t put any survey on this matter.
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It’s not being included from launch, which is accurate. The burden of proof lies with people who want to change that.
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That doesn’t fit the narrative. i dislike flying but it’s because it reduces player interaction. Bots just teleport around with no need to fly.
Tbh it’s not the same. There are countless of polls that show majority wants the LFD. His nonsense is not based on anything.
Problem with the polls are that they are not that well sampled on the whole classic playerbase, but I think it’s way safer to argue that the people answering those polls are generally more against the LFD than average classic player, but I don’t know the truth.
With the information we have it’s not possible to say that the majority is against LFD.
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But it’s part of the 3.3.5 what we play on classic, “the perfect version of the expansion”. So it’s up to you to prove why it should be removed.
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I can sort of understand an argument for it not being available for lvl 70-80 bracket on launch week, because that may tempt even more people to completely ignore the zones and level purely through random dungeons (I know I would). However there is no reason at all for it to not be available for low levels right from the prepatch, and for max level players in Ulduar patch or even earlier. A good compromise would be maybe to unlock it with Naxx a week into launch? You know, since better gear becomes available from Naxx10 and Sarth10 than you get in even heroics.
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Now this is perfectly reasonable argument and something I have thought myself too. I think the problem here is that making LFD the most efficient way to level is a bit silly because it turns the game into constant dungeon spamming for most people, but at the same time I don’t see why not having dungeon spam to be viable way to level. Some people enjoy dungeons way more than questing and wotlk is about letting people play the game how they want. If you want vanilla experience, you should play next SoM season, not wotlk.
But on first week it definitely would be the fastest way for most people since questing is slowed by the amount of people in the zones. Though there is this argument that then the people who actually liked questing could enjoy the zones with reasonable amount of people when the sweaty people are just spamming dungeons.
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It’s not simply being postponed. As far as the devs told us, it’s being completely removed because it doesn’t belong to “The Spirit of Classic”, so the burden of proof is on the other side to prove that this is what the community wants. Even Brian Birmingham admitted that the backlash to this decision - not to include RDF at all - was bigger than he expected. Not that he’s sensible enough to get the message from it, but still.
RDF did belong to the game pre-cata, no matter how much ppl like you want to rewrite history to pretend otherwise. You should go play Classic Era or something, instead, if you don’t want a feature that was in WotLK and that is such a dealbreaker to you.
Oh please, I’ve seen groups struggling to even find DPS outside peak times, if it’s not the daily dungeon and/or a popular one. A lot of people simply don’t find the effort required to build up and run dungeons worth it when the same effort, if put into making/joining a raid instead leads to a more fun and rewarding experience.
And it will be even more so in WotLK. Why would people waste time trying to make a heroic group (outside the daily) when a faceroll Naxx10 takes the same effort to make and gives you 4-5X the loot, while also being more enjoyable than a dungeon run?
The whole point of RDF is to allow people to run dungeons at any time, the same way they can with BGs. Because otherwise nobody would bother at all.
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How dense you are if you think this is good argument against LFD?
edit: maybe I missed the sarcasm and you are just trying to show what’s the real reason people are arguing against LFD and why it is dumb.
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Or those who want it to be removed… you severely underestimate how far people go out of their way to block something for others they personally don’t like, even if they don’t have to use it and its fully optional for them.
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Tbh anyone with a brain can figure out that the most casual friendly expansion of the 3 is going to be mostly in favor of RDF. Which is why it’s so surreal that the Devs decided to go against RDF. I’m also not buying most of the arguments against RDF, such as saying it creates a toxic environment… my RDF exp in retail has been great, sure people usually don’t say much, but that’s how it is in TBC too, lol. And I haven’t seen much toxicity either. Now what’s toxic to me is hard reserving items or deliberately denying certain classes from joining because you want X item for yourself, or asking for T6 gear for dungeons that can be cleared in T4 or even dungeon blues. Actually now that I think about it I’m convinced that RDF in Wrath would make for a much less toxic/gatekeepy pugging community.
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If they gona do it as it was then Dungeonfinder will not be in it.
If you had actually played WotLK you would know he is referencing to as it was in the end. No one who played wrath thinks that the launch was any good. Wrath was probably one of the worst expansion ever when it launched.
Yes it was, but not because there was no RDF in it. It was bad because it dumbed down and watered out all the gameplay and all the fun in PvE, and DK’s smashed the rest. No wonder they had to implement RDF to band-aid the sad mess we ended up with.
By this logic we also should not have ICC or RS or Frozen Halls. The expansion should wrap up with Trial of the Crusader phase.
I think many people would be happy with Ulduar endgame. 
I wasn’t too happy with patch dungeons so probably me included. 
But it shall run to ICC properly.
I hoped the irony of my statement would’ve been understandable. But I guess a big chunk of this server is in full-blown “history rewriting in the name of Spirit-of-Classic” mode.
If we get ICC then we should also get RDF.
So one main reason you dont want RDF is that you cannot reserve items in a dungeon anymore. Of course you wont find groups after that, because why would anyone want their loot to be reserved, if they can just all roll for it with the same chance? Others, who dont reserve loot, will find others for premade groups.
“Its easier for me to get loot without RDF, so I dont want it.” - The most selfish reason I heard so far against RDF.
Do other players offend you by having worse gear than you? Everyone has to start at some point and the gear will be bad at some point. If you cannot play with players like this, because it hurts your ego and they dont deserve to be carried by you, keep playing with premades that have the same mindset. “LF BLASTER DPS XYZ HEROIC 6K+ GEARSCORE” - thats what you will type anyways, regardless of RDF or not.
Most wotlk fans hate retail. Those who want LFR can have it in cata, since it was a cata feature. Not that I care, I wont play cata anyways.
It was introduced 60% into wotlk. If its not a wotlk feature, what expansion was it?
Thats a nice argument, because I see a majority of people trying to end all life on earth, they are just quiet. Those “pro lifers” are just a loud minority.
For real, the only numbers we have right now are from polls and these numbers prove you wrong.
If you dont like an expansion, dont play it instead of trying to turn it into vanilla. Its not vanilla+ thats about to be released, its wotlk. There are era servers for people like you.
And of course, some people dont want the RDF, because they like tbc and vanilla more. These are not the majority though. Private servers prove that wotlk with all its features is in fact the most desired expansion.
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Well if you want it to be authentic then RDF shouldn’t be in there for like the first half of WOTLK. Also I do think there are a lot of retail players who play this. Else there would not be this many people crying on the forums about it.
As I said I want to be able to pick and chose who will be in my group. If you are bad at the game with no gear then yeah you will not be in my group. RDF also damages the amount of people who are out in the world which we don’t need more of (blizzard already messed it up enough).
I have never struggled to make groups. I fill them up within minutes everytime and I can cherrypick who I want to invite. Don’t really see an issue with the system.
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