But you are a vanilla enthusiast from apes, and not everyone shares the same way to enjoy wow as you. I heared that they keep up classic era servers, so maybe that’s where you find level 40ies in STV to gank and can gatekeep normal-mode dungeons well =)
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I don’t think the outrage would have been the same if the devs simply said RDF was going to be postponed in accordance with the original timetable, rather than removing it in the name of an idiotic “Spirit of Classic” ideal.
I’ve never touched once Retail, and yet I am pissed off that devs are going to such lengths to change WotLK from what it was - and not just in regards to RDF. I’ve played WotLK for years on pservers, with RDF, and it’s never been this big issue when it comes to people’s ability to come together for guilds, raids and other relevant social activity.
If anything, it feels to me like a lot of the people who are against RDF have, in fact, played Retail in some capacity and are basing their feelings about RDF on their Retail experiences rather than on how it was in WotLK. Just like with all the debates we’ve seen about flying before TBCC, and even friggin dailies.
If anything, without RDF people will end up spending less time out in the world and more time in the main hubs, building groups and flying over your head to the instance. With RDF, you could go about your own business and just fire off a dungeon run whenever you felt like it, just with battlegrounds.
That’s because, from what I can tell, you’re part of the issue that warranted the system’s introduction in the first place. Maybe you should go back to Vanilla with the rest of your apes’ friends.
That argument is getting really really old. NO ONE is arguing about that. We wouldn’t mind that. We mind that blizzard have said there wont be ANY RDF at all.
I beg to differ. I say with RDF there would be LESS people out in the world. Faster group forming - easier dungeon spamming - more people inside dungeons - less people out in the open world.
Yes, as others have said, based on your comments you are infact one part of the reason RDF came to be in the first place. God damn reservers. You are not more entitled to any drops then any member in your group…
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I did play Wrath vanilla. LFD destroyed the community over night.
Will we have ICC from the start? No? Did not think so either.
Will we have ICC removed completely from WotLK Classic because “it’s against the spirit of Classic”? No? Did not think so either.
People do want RDF instantly out with wotlk.
That’s what I meant and I don’t want a dead world.
Make your own groups if you don’t like when someone else reserves you should be able to easily fill up the group. Take your own initiative instead of crying on forums. Good riddance that there won’t be RDF and you might get to learn something.
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I think it’s not so. For me I would do more dungeons, because I can STAY out in the world until the dungeon pops - no need to travel there and no need to travel back. I would be more out in the world Questing, and mor in dungeons. Without LFD I’d do a bare minimum of dungeons - only becsause of the travel times, which get old very fast.
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The problem though is not really much in the first phase - I could understand, personally, if RDF was excluded from P1 so that ppl can’t use it to level all the way to 80.
The problem, though, comes up if RDF isn’t added to the game from Ulduar phase onwards. By then, most mains will be done needing dungeons, aside maybe from the daily if the daily gives emblems of the kind dropped by the then-current content (Emblems of Conquest in Ulduar phase, Emblems of Triumph in ToC phase, Emblems of Frost in ICC phase). This will leave alts in a situation similar to the current one, struggling to find people to make a group. Sure, dual spec will make life somewhat better for those who can play a tank/heal role. But, even then, I’ve been having plenty of situations where even finding DPS outside of peak times was hardly guaranteed for non-daily dungeons. In short, not having RDF makes life dramatically harder by then for alts and people trying to catch up, for little to no gain for the server communities as whole (since the mains populating those wouldn’t engage with dungeon content anymore, anyway).
All we’ll “learn” to will be to give up on being able to make dungeon runs outside peak time, especially if we’re running with a character without a tank spec. Is that the social interaction that will improve this game? I beg to differ.
Meh.
20:20. Log in. Do as the forums suggest, try and organize a group!
21:00. I have 2 damage dealers and myself. One group formed, offering 25g for a tank. The tool emptied. LFG is almost silent, just 1 player in the 60-69 range, a healer trying to do Mana Tombs.
21:05. Lost one and agreed to disband.
I feel like you’re arguing with me as if we were in disagreement.
Also could say the same about the wink.
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Sorry I wasn’t hinting to you when I talked about a “big chunk of this server”. But seriously, look around us^^
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Yea sure, I have seen one or two of those sure. But basically all of us that want RDF in wotlk would be quite happy to have it anytime after p1.
I do actually. Wouldn’t touch a reserve group with gloves on.
Oh I’m not crying about it. Not at all. Simply speaking my mind as you brought it up. I don’t give a rats as about selfish pr… i… cks like you really.
I see what you’re saying. I’d still argue that it would be less spent time out and about with the faster group forming RDF would bring.
This depends clearly on preferences and playstyle. I do not care overmuch for dungeons, so for me adding the extra hurdle of having to travel there and back again to continue where I was Questing will most of the time mean that I just won’t do any dungeons.
EDIT: I have not tried the dungeon finder tool as it is now. so I can’t really speak, but it sounds like nothing that permits you to Quest while trying to find a dungeon
And I still would like to see LDFD. But not at launch!
If you don’t have a problem making your own groups I don’t see an issue about it. If you want to cry about something relevant you should be writing about GDKPS that are messing up the game completely. RDF after half of wotlk is done does not really matter that much tbh except for alts.
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If you don’t have or care about alts, than RDF post P1 is not gonna impact you either way, as you wouldn’t have much of a reason to run dungeons to begin with. Heck, unlike in TBC, you wouldn’t even have anything to reserve from said dungeons, rly, as even Frozen Halls loot pales compared to the Trial of the Crusader 25hc gear your main will be wearing by the time those dungeons come out.
The problem is for alts and new/catching-up players, and for them, having RDF vastly outweighs the cons that RDF may bring for them with itself.
The devs themselves would know, if they had played this game at all, but I supposed they’re too busy having fun with their families and Twitter to know any better.
I guess, if we get the Retail LFG feature for all content, I don’t rly care that much about dungeon finder, because the Retail LFG is so easy, it’s almost the same.
But yeah, it’s unrelated but true: Gdkp is the main antagonist of wotlk, not the lich king.
Why?
We got Same faction BG’s in TBCC and i dont remember that being in vanilla TBC.
By the same logic, there’s no reason why we should have RDF removed completely based on whether it was in the game or not. And spoiler alert - it was.
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It was in the late game of Wrath. had it been in earlier Wrath would have had a very different reputation than it has today. LFD or RFD as you call it is not needed. What so ever.
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These devs wanted to change even Dual Spec, despite the fact it had been in the game from Ulduar patch. They even removed the auto-DE function despite that having been in pretty much for all WotLK afaik. They don’t care at all about at what point was the feature introduced in the game, they just care about whether it fits their deranged “Spirit of Classic” view.
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