Why is Havoc DH getting zero complexity in Shadowlands?

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My specialization requires more than 3 to 4 buttons. All of these buttons are part of my usual rotation 4, 3, 2, 1, G, T, `, F, Q

If I was to be given one gift in this world, it would be to prevent people from making assumptions.

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Havoc is getting a complex choice, with simple demonic rotation staying but its nerfed. Demonic duration is down 2 seconds, which means you can hardly use 2 blade dance during it if at all, specially with haste from furious gaze gone.

Essence break/Momentum build is buffed. Essence break costs no fury, hits everyone in front of you and increase damage of chaos strike AND blade fury on them, coupled with momentum, you are getting a fairly calculated rotation to work with, rather than a button smash, and it looks like it will in fact perform better than demonic build as it synergizes better with increased fury pool as well.

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If you think Momentum is an option in raids, you haven’t been paying attention.

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HOW DARE YOU USE LOGIC ON THE FORUMS:?::?:?:?::?_?!??!?!?!

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sadly because aoe gets capped on 5 targets it will bring very limited resoults .

now if it worked like this now …

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It’s the same thing with DH. if you take for example Execute and victory rush into consideration then there are more abilities to take into consideration for DHs aswell.

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But it isn’t, because you’ll actively use execute, unlike eye beam, immolation aura and whatever else people are imagining into their rotation.

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Just because a spell has a cooldown higher than 10 seconds that doesn’t mean its not in your ROTATION. Eye Beam, Immolation Aura aren’t “imagined” into your rotation, it is in your rotation and you don’t even always press it on cooldown, sometimes you want to slightly delay it, IA can for example be used even during downtime/movement to pool resources beforehand. Just because you people want to believe that we don’t have any buttons to press doesn’t make it so.

What I will agree on is that there is very little to think about in terms of priority, apart from keep blade dance on cooldown there is very little going on in terms of in which order you want to press things most of the time.

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it’s not in your rotation, you essentially use it on CD unless in certain situations where waiting for a bigger pull is worth it, don’t try to fool me, I play DH too :slight_smile:

So I guess Blade flurry is part of my rotation now and so is vanish because I use it to recast ambush?
Just stop taking the piss, DH is just a bit more simple than other classes :woman_shrugging:

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I’m trying to wrap my head around people who have ALT’s and still cannot see the drastic differences in how DH plays versus just about any other class/spec in the game. There’s really nothing else like it, it’s a Ferrari against a family sedan.

The closest thing i can match DH’s rotation is to like an Arcane mage, because you just have this rinse and repeat cycle and it’s very basic and repetitive and then you click things off cooldown here and there.

But even with an Arcane mage you’ve got to move and think about other things going on. With a DH you just simply tunnel on whatever it is you’re trying to attack and press your buttons and you do tons of damage with no effort or thought process. There’s nothing you’re trying to maintain or setup to it that you have to think about.

It’s so much so that if you’ve seen one DH fight you’ve seen them all. It’s the same exact openers and rotation of abilities, it’s completely thoughtless. I can only relate that to maybe Fire mages who ring of frost and Greater pyroblast and then follow with the exact same chain of spells to big damage but even a novice would have to learn that, a DH novice would not need to learn anything, it just comes automatically, it’s there.

Maybe if you’re comparing DH to doing damage to a target dummy, where the other target is not reacting to you or you’re just doing a rotation, i mean there’s some classes in the game where it isn’t complex on the dps side of things, which take for example my own class Paladin.

On my paladin I have crusade strike, templars verdict, divine storm, blade of justice and i can add other talented abilities, but even that that is more complex on at least having to watch procs and react then half the time in a real battle I am dpsing half of the time and the other half I am watching out for other teammates, so I’m not even a class intended to just dps like DH is and DH is STILL more basic and less to think about.

i could write a book about it, just never ending. It’s like common sense, a fact essentially, I mean if you were going to trail no defense lawyer would represent you, it just is what it is.

That’s why the class needs help so that you can really separate the superb players form the normal ones, which with DH you can’t really tell, everyone just looks the same pressing the same buttons. So many classes are not like that and you’d have to think a little about how they’re going to go about things but with DH it’s just goo goo gah gah.

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Nah I agree with you for the most part. What pisses me off is that people are saying Eye Beam or Immolation Aura aren’t ROTATION. What are they then, DPS cooldowns?

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DH player calling mentally deficient, jokeman.

Shows you don’t know how rogue plays :sneezing_face:
OFC you’re 2k this season :grimacing:

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You are right, I concede. Because I am 2k this season, Eye Beam and Immolation Aura are NOT rotation. BTE and Rupture ARE rotation. I have no idea how the rogue plays. DH is extremely easy and its rotation is just 2 buttons.

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No point talking sense to these people, here i’ll share my popcorn take a seat and enjoy the show. These topics keep showing up everyday and people really love to hate us so lets be hated.
1 thing i have to say though, people calling demon hunters toxic and after that calling us whatever names here could take good look at the mirror.

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You dont use vanish to recast ambush? Thats dps drop boyo

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You got 2k with two buttons.

Imagine what happens when you use more. Blizzard servers will explode by that sheer overwhelming numbers!

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Seems to me he knows how to rogue better then you. Also explains why he is 2k and you aint.

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I always seclude from every argument with someone who sees my raider io score and automatically assumes that the score is how it is because I am physically incapable of achieving more. It never occurs to them that someone just blasts some 15s and 16s for the achievement and then never bothers with keys anymore aside from doing a weekly. And the reason I don’t is because I get nothing from it aside from 3rd party website score and apparently WoW forum credibility.

He also thinks he is a god because he is a Rogue/DH in mythic dungeons and that is an OMEGALUL all in itself, but I will not reply to anything he types again so it’s whatever to me, and I will admit we are a simple class, I just can’t fathom that people want to pass other simple classes as rocket science because they get 1 additional interaction or whatever.

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DH are scum class. Nuff said.

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Actually no, other classes are just getting back old abilities and DHs don’t have those.

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