Why is Havoc DH getting zero complexity in Shadowlands?

[Lilîith-silvermoon]

@Aarcslight-outland

I’m trying to wrap my head around people who have ALT’s and still cannot see the drastic differences in how DH plays versus just about any other class/spec in the game. There’s really nothing else like it, it’s a Ferrari against a family sedan.

The closest thing i can match DH’s rotation is to like an Arcane mage, because you just have this rinse and repeat cycle and it’s very basic and repetitive and then you click things off cooldown here and there.

But even with an Arcane mage you’ve got to move and think about other things going on. With a DH you just simply tunnel on whatever it is you’re trying to attack and press your buttons and you do tons of damage with no effort or thought process. There’s nothing you’re trying to maintain or setup to it that you have to think about.

It’s so much so that if you’ve seen one DH fight you’ve seen them all. It’s the same exact openers and rotation of abilities, it’s completely thoughtless. I can only relate that to maybe Fire mages who ring of frost and Greater pyroblast and then follow with the exact same chain of spells to big damage but even a novice would have to learn that, a DH novice would not need to learn anything, it just comes automatically, it’s there.

Maybe if you’re comparing DH to doing damage to a target dummy, where the other target is not reacting to you or you’re just doing a rotation, i mean there’s some classes in the game where it isn’t complex on the dps side of things, which take for example my own class Paladin.

On my paladin I have crusade strike, templars verdict, divine storm, blade of justice and i can add other talented abilities, but even that that is more complex on at least having to watch procs and react then half the time in a real battle I am dpsing half of the time and the other half I am watching out for other teammates, so I’m not even a class intended to just dps like DH is and DH is STILL more basic and less to think about.

i could write a book about it, just never ending. It’s like common sense, a fact essentially, I mean if you were going to trail no defense lawyer would represent you, it just is what it is.

That’s why the class needs help so that you can really separate the superb players form the normal ones, which with DH you can’t really tell, everyone just looks the same pressing the same buttons. So many classes are not like that and you’d have to think a little about how they’re going to go about things but with DH it’s just goo goo gah gah.

and again . you are complaining because DH is a fun Ferrari and other classes are boring slow sedans

so what you are in fact comlaining about is that other classes are to complicated and to slow.

who wants to drive a borind sedan when he could drive ferrari ?

it all comes down to fact that DH is more fun to play and you are jelly

[Theboyz-silvermoon]

Hey man,
I just started playing DH and people are already hating on me.
Can I also get some popcorn cause I don’t feel like arguing anymore?

[Rävñ-argent-dawn]

Tbh, I think its fine with one easy class ingame.
Used to be paladin for years

[Seracia-draenor]

Always more than welcome to join. Don’t take the hate seriously brush it off and play what you love. People just love to be keyboard heroes here.

[Dottie-thunderhorn (Dottie)]

@Pewpega-draenor

Seriously it seems messed up that all the other classes are getting new abilities with higher skill cap and DH is going to remain as simple as ever.

People with no gaming skills need a class to play.

[Hordehighelf-kazzak]

You can take nemesis in raids if its largely single target, otherwise you can take demonic. But if you are good, you are still taking essence break.

[Hordehighelf-kazzak]

I mean, yes, but essence break will still be better than first blood. It deals aoe chaos damage in front of you, then increase damage of your chaos strike and blade dance.

You will have one more button to press regardless!

[Hexelyion-aggramar (Hexelyion)]

@Dottie-thunderhorn

People with no gaming skills need a class to play.

I’m happy you found your class in this game.

Bless.

[Quothnor-draenor]

The problem with Demon Hunters is not their simple rotation. It’s perfectly fine for a class to be on the simpler side.
The problem with Demon Hunters is that they have pratically everything in such a simple set and playstyle. They have the best mobility of all the melee classes, they have a lot of utility, they have a mandatory raid ability, they have good defensives and they have one of the strongest damage in all the melee classes, especially their AoE being tied to their normal rotation.

Let’s compare them to Ret Paladins in terms of simple playstyle: Even though Ret Paladins also have a lot of utility, especially for raids, dungeons and PvP, they have very strict weaknesses: they have the second worst mobility in melee classes, Death Knight having the least and their burst outside of wings is just meh.

Demon Hunter while being simple have too many advantages while having almost no disavantages.

[Hoodoodle-doomhammer]

@Bonepricker-ragnaros

And so does outlaw.

And than you don’t get a proc 6 times in a row.
/sadface

[Lxser-draenor]

BTE gets cast more often because the CD gets lowered everytime you spend combo points
I was 2.2k+ last season after 1 week of pushing xddd?

No wonder Ion treats us all like we’re stupid, when I read the forums I completely understand why he does it.

Fact is still: You press Imolation and Eye Beam once every 15-20 (Even with eyes of rage) seconds and think it’s part of the rotation.

PS: If you’re not gonna bother using your brain for more than 3 seconds don’t even bother replying, I’m very close to getting a stroke from all these btec replies.

[Victorion-silvermoon]

Come on man, if you want class complexity - go play on a sub rogue or priest. Why do you care about DH if you don’t play it?
Although im personally upset about lack of new skills as well, you really didn’t have to call it a 3-button spec

[Benjamin-sunstrider (Benjamin)]

So what? If you play Arance mage it is 1 button rotation hurrrr

Actually, I don’t mind if we have simple classes like DH. I don’t like the easy rotations so I don’t play with it.

Be like Benjamin (ME) if you don’t like something don’t complain about it and ruin it for the people who enjoys it.

[Bukachu-ravencrest]

@Synthium-kazzak

DH is extremely easy and its rotation is just 2 buttons.

glad we agree

[Tencent-argent-dawn]

Please don’t change.

I still want to AFK facerol dungeons with my Havoc DH or BM hunter while watching TV and eating diner at the same time.

It is very impractical to hold knife, fork and remote control at the same time, if I have to press more than 2 buttons.

[Phaedra-wildhammer]

I hope they have more ideas going forward because all we have been told so far is to expect a whole bunch of nerfs and a buff to a colossus smash ability that nobody uses.

[anon60154569]

there needs to be one class in the game for people that have a low IQ

[Leafkettle-argent-dawn (Leafkettle)]

@Hexelyion-aggramar

Funny how people complain dh is 3 button spec.

Yet all specs are 3-4 button rotations…

I just had to log onto my Sunwalker Tauren to check his Ret rotation out:

Seven in total, three additional for more damage output.

[Loredrael-chamber-of-aspects (Loredrael)]

They could at least add a new spec

[Osangar-aszune (Osangar)]

So you’re saying that DRW, which was a core part pf your damage output as a Blood DK back in Wrath, wasn’t part of my rotation because it was on a CD? If you are actively having to use a spell to increase your DPS during a fight, it is part of your rotation, whether it is an instant, one on GCD or one on a longer cooldown.