Why is the conquest cap back?

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The best thing that happened to to game was in 9.1.5 when the conquest and valor cap was removed, and today i see that its back.

This cap is by far the absolut worst thing blizzard have created and it really makes me want to play way less then before now. I really dont see the reasoning behind it? The only thing it achives is that people will play less.

Aside from it just timegating gear as blizzard time gates everything in this game for reasons i dont think they really understand themselfs, it just forces you to be unable to play your character.

I play shaman and i love playing shaman. I got 3 lvl 60 shamans now and tbh that is almost not enough now when the cap is there.
I mainly play Elemental and Resto and guess what, i cant do that on the same character becouse the gear is wrong inbetween the specs. As resto i want mastery and as ele i want haste, so im forced to make 2 shamans to play resto and elemental.

Thats all fine and all having two of the same class, but now i need my third aswell couse when i play Elemental and want to play with vesper totem i want crit gear…

When the cap was removed i had the oppertunity to just farm my gear. Now with the cap it is impossible. I MUST make more of the same character becouse of a stupid time gate that leads to absolutly nothing. I would say it hurts the game more then it helps.
I played a ton of alts when i could farm gear with my main and send it to alts when i was capped just to try them out without having to do tons and tons of bgs, but now i wont even give it a try.
And if i know myself and many other when there is no reason to play, you probably wont play. I might get my weekly cap from pvp 1 evning and then play other games. There is no reason to be logged on in wow anymore.

Aside from my rant, dont blizzard think it is wrong that you are forced to level up 3 - 4 of the same class on the same server just becouse the gear you want is locked by a time gate?

And if this is becouse you dont want players to have an “Advantage” when it comes to raiding, i can see much better ways to fix that. And its also amazingly stupid that the game and a patch that people will play for almost is a year is tuned around and a handful of people trying to beat the new content in 1 - 2 weeks, witch they will succed with either if you time gate gear or not.

Also in arenas, if it comes down to that people that play more then others get an advantage the first weeks of arenas, is that even a bad thing? I mean is that not well deserved? It will just be for a week or two in the start untill the rest of people that do arenas have cought up with the gear and even then, the skilled players will get high rating either way. With or without the small gear advantage some might have.

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Since there is no content more time wasted = more sub money. Ez

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some form of timegating is required or we have some no life andys who play 24/7 the first week and have 30 ilvl more than everyone and then complain about lack of content

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i dont really see the problem in no-lifers getting full gear in a week tbh, Why is that a problem that people that play alot get alot of gear?

It will last 1 to 2 weeks and then everyone els have cought up anyways.

So its fine to ruin an entire patch so that no lifers wont be to op for 1 week when it releases.

Nice…

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Is the entire patch ruined because you can’t no life the first days of a patch? Come on now :’D

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No the patch is ruined becouse if i want to play my shaman i must make 3 - 4 shamans to gear them.
If i want to play necrolord witch i think (maybe?) will be best for ele pvp i need haste gear witch will be locked behind the weekly cap.
If i want to play kyrian for the vesper totem one-shots witch is super fun playstyle i need crit gear witch is locked behind weekly cap.
And then if i want to heal i want mastery gear witch is locked behind weekly cap.

So basicly if i want to play my shaman i need to have 3 of them on my server becouse els i can’t gear it.
Cant really say that i feel super excited to farm 6 legendary and paying up to a million gold to be able to be competative, do the thorgasts, do the renown etc etc with 3 chars when they all are the same class.

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And? This logic is so wrong. Let them rush content and be bored, this is their problem, Blizzard shouldn’t do anything about that. Timegating is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY bigger problem.

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Hard disagree.

That playstyle is unhealthy and players absolutelly need some external control.

To the OP, nonthing you have written is required. FFS just play on your main shaman. Other players are in the same boat as you. Not suprpised how many players dislike the game when they turn it into a second job.

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Yeah ofc its not required, but it takes away the fun for me. Its my personal oppinion. I had alot more fun in pvp after 9.1.5 then in 9.1 becouse of that change. It might just be me but i really think the system is flawed as hell by the time gating.

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Unhealthy? xD Let’s timegate M+ so I can do only 1 per day. Timegate raid bosses so be able to kill 1 per day. You know, for sake of our health <3

Timegating causes game to be treated as second job. Do something now or else you’ll miss out.

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Blue post was made about this, and it had a point - some players would absolutely no life the hell out of capping CqP, and they would be in sever advantage over people who for some reason couldn’t do it. In the grand scheme, it is better for overall health of the game. Also, even in Cata, MoP and WoD, there was a cap, with the exception that you could increase the cap by increasing your rating. But you still coudn’t gear up in a week.

M+ is rng loot and doesnt give max ilvl. Raid bosses can only be looted on the first kill.

Sorry, we just disagree.

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I havent read the blue post but i would love to couse i really cant see any positives about it. Was it recent?

I dont really buy the arguement that you get a severe advantage. Yes, for the first week if you are a real no lifer, but that is a handful of people? And if they are these crazy no lifers they will get gladiator rating with or without the time gate so why does it matter at all since after a few weeks its will be even playing ground for everyone?

Also you are yourself responsible for how much you play.
I think if you have a gaming addiction time gating content wont change that, you will just play something els.
A mental health specialist will help, and that is a problem wow wont solve for you.

I really do belive this is just a very old concept of game design to keep you paying your subscription every month

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Conquest gear isn’t max ilvl either. I don’t believe there are so many sweaty guys that timegating is needed. M+ aren’t timegated and even if they don’t drop max ilvl gear they drop very high ilvl. Sorry, but your logic has some flaws.

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this is required for no life .

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Right, because you can’t get better gear via Mythic+ anyways… :smiley:

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Because they don’t want everyone to be fully geared in 1 week. Conquest cap will get removed with 9.2.5 most likely and they will add chests. Relax

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Yeah i just have to make 3 shaman then untill 9.2.5 hits. Good game design.

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I have 4 and?

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It is just plain and simple bad game design. If they have a function that you can change your spec and coventant but you cant get gear to it becouse its time gated that is a flawed system.

It is bad design that i need to spend a million gold on legendary base items becouse im gona need 6 of them for 3 characters and they are 100k - 200k becouse of time gated pvp loot.

It is bad game design that you cant even change your covenent within the same spec becouse the gear it time gated.

Dont you yourself think its stupid that you have to make 4 of the same class to be able to gear them properly? Only becouse of time gated loot?

And all this comes down to the time gated gear. It is gona take months before you got a full set of the new gear and can start to gear for an off spec or diffrent covenant. If everyone had the same stat prioritys it wouldnt be as big of a deal if they want to time gate gear like this. But when you cant play your class its broken.

Super easy solutions if they dont want people to have best gear right away for god know what reason and still time gate would be to time gate the upgrade rank or even that if you buy lets say the belt, you get all of the belts. And if you buy the head, you get all of the heads etc etc. Might be that when you have unlocked the slot you can buy them for gold or whatever.

But right now, this is just very bad in my oppinion. And for all of those that think its good as it is now, lets just agree to disagree.

**Edit: And for that arguement that “no lifers” get gear up super quick and they get a super advantage and what not, that is just not true.
Can we assume that a “lifer” with a normal job and normal life situation maybe can play 1 hour per day? If you play 3s for 1 hour per day, have lets say a 50 / 50 win loss, and a game in todays meta maybe average 2 - 3 minutes? Statistics take from thin air but probably plausible.
75 conq for a win, maybe 1 win per 5 min if you average 50 / 50 win loss? thats about 900 conq a day. And if you can play on average 1 hour per day that would be 6300 conq per week.
With 6300 conq you are about half way there to having full gear. So if you can get full gear in 2 weeks by playing for 1 hour per day, i would not say the “no lifers” have a super hugh advantage that makes the game unfair. And if your wife or husband is super nice to you maybe you can even play for a few hours during the weekend, then it wont even be 2 full weeks to get full gear.

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Well. It’s not - honor gear this season has the same ilvl as max ilvl conquest gear from the last season. With cap of 800 you can’t even buy one big piece or weapon. So basically if you want to reroll spec and gear just farm honor. Solo Shuffle gives 1000 if you win and most of the people there aren’t good so you should carry them.