exactly…
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Could say the same to you. Lol.
Easier then trying to lie about 4 button rotations lmao,
I play hunter. Which has 0 issues in terms of its rotation so i did exactly what ur saying. I simply dont play those speccs.
But people are free to express their opinons lol aint about ruining others fun its about expressing opinons on their opinons regarding the game
This was the sort of thing I was referring to earlier when I spoke about the elitism of calling people who can’t do these rotations while doing an encounter at the same time handicapped.
It’s just… oof.
4 buttons of combat skills is far more real than statement of having 20 skills in rotation lmao, also no you could not say the same to me as im not asking to force everyone to have more skills, we have talents now and everyone should pick what makes them feel good in playing, it usually increases dps as well, even if its not high end suggested
When did i say 20 rotational abilities? Lol.
The OP said that and in my first statement i dismissed that with using the toolset of my class to show theres no where near 20 rotational abilities.
Stop talking about options. Options dont exist, its a “illusion of choice” the meta build simply wins. If u join a pug with a aub optimal build their gonna insta boot you lmfao.
Theres never been a choice.
Espically given theory crafters only launch the optimal builds. Asking players to auddenly become theory crafters to find alternate builds that function is ridiculous.
There are certain speccs which simple arent accessible to the core majority. Imho yes they should be dealt with. Am i spamming posts on the forum demanding my views worth more then others? No im not.
U have ur opinons, i have mine blizzard will do what they want with that feedback, if ur so secure that u think the majority prefer it this way, u have nothing to worry about. Blizzard wont change a thing.
this is such a lie… I’ve never seen anyone booted for his talent choices, no one spends time to check on your talents, so many times i had in HIGH key people that lacked most important toolkit skill for dungeon like mass dispell from priest and no one realised that before he wasnt able to debuff haste debuff on timeless adds before last boss on Uldaman…
m+ score is the only issue and if its problem for you do your own grp
Not rly, i wouldnt bring it up if ive not done it lol, ofcourse people do this 
ngl if u arent checking peoples talents u kinda deserve ending up in a situation such as u describe
U act as if it takes time. It simply doesnt.
Inspect them copy the build take meta build. Apply their build if abilities highlight in movement u have a definitive answer. Takes no more then 2 minutes of time to check this.
I wasnt leader and i wont take advice from you as you werent higher rio than my main in ANY season. people look at m+ score mainly, i didnt meet weird asses that check on ppls talents on keys lower than 23+
Its weird to expect players to have vital utility that can collasp a key?. Oki then.
I dont care if u take advice. This thread aint a epeen war and i rly dont care for ur opinons regarding tbat.
Again if ur so sure ur apart of the majority in ur opinons u have no reason to fear people like me expressing my opinons.
Idc about that but i care about your lies and manipulations to try making your statement valid. But ok, I dont think this conversation goes anywhere.
Because we lack any kind of actually useful introductions, you hit max and you’re bombarded with 13 systems that don’t make sense to anyone, it’s incredibly hard to orientate yourself without any help.
Lies and manipulation
Heres a secret, i dont have to validate my statement. The fact so many agree including content creators is enough alone.
You dont need to validate a shared view. Because the fact others agree validates it in itself. Theres no reason for me to attempt to “lie and manipulate someone” and id love to know how u think ive manipulated anyone.
I havent told anyone my view is above theirs nor have i said its more important then any others, uve gotten offended because “my views ruin your fun” lmao.
There are people who check builds. If they havent and ur running a self made build for “ease” the likelyhood is ur about to be out dps’d by a aug evokers personal damage lol.
Acting as if its so easy to homebrew a more “passive build” is the only lie in this conversation
Lets get this straight.
If a players unable to PLAY their class, they likely lack understanding to exactly where the damage comes from. So homebrewing a build will likely mean they will miss extremely important talents which are considered “mandatory” in their speccs leading to much greater dps losses then the “minor one” ur referring to.
And even trying to remotely use “illusion of choice” as a argument for “its ok that some speccs are wildly more complex then the average user can handle” is insanity alone
People play meta builds the far majority will copy and paste a Wowhesd build.
Losing half ur dps attempting to make it easier on urself isnt a good method of play not to mention…
It aint low content they need the aid of a easier build in. Its in those high keys snd highr raiding, the easier the content the finer more complex builds are. Its when the gsme becomes increasingly challanging that u see cracks appear.
The fact a mythic raider thinks they know whats best the average audience is also laughable.
I can accept due to my condition this game isnt built sround me, i am no majority therefore my opinons on things likely matter less, i wonder if your able to accept the fsct ur at the bleeding edge in a top 1% bracket csn accept your likely s minority whos fine with todays complexity.
I sometimes check talents, but i consider removing only if the talent selection is egregiously bad.
For example, i met a destro lock sometime ago that was running 2 master ritualist, 2 crashing chaos, chaos incarnate, and 1 power overwhelming, with neither gwd or avatar of destruction.
I didn’t kick him, but i should have considering that his performance almost resulted in a deplete.
Get average players to start home brewing “easier builds” and see how bad itd get lol unless someones gonna continously sim build comparitives im pretty certsin u eould see some wild choices.
Really? Care to list them?
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The gameplay side of WoW HAS become more complex over time.
The damage rotations have become more elaborate.
The tank role has had active mitigation baked in.
The raid bosses have more mechanics you have to deal with at the same time which need more thought than moving out of the fire.
The dungeons got these affixes to make life more miserable than plain old scaling up.
The only parts of WoW that became simpler over time are leveling to max and getting Raid-ready (no attunements etc).
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Idk dude.
I tried it again recently on my dk when going dps since I just cba tanking any more this week.
Now, there are differences in pull cadence etc. But with strictly following hekili I was doing like 65k dps, I was below the tank. Just taking a glance at a guide and then just pressing buttons as close to the guide as I could remember I was doing 100k, at least I was ahead of the tank then. Some of that increase is probably down to pull cadence and so forth but it felt a lot smoother as well when not strictly following hekili. It felt like packs died before I could get any damage going with strictly following hekili.
Also tried it as unholy and I’m not entirely sure even without looking at a guide that it’s anywhere close to the right way. AoE was pretty much outbreak and epidemic spam? Didn’t even tell me to get DND up for cleaving the strikes for RP generation, which seems just all kinds of wrong to me. Granted, I haven’t looked at a guide so idk if it’s actually wrong or not but it seems weird to not do that when it makes the scourge strikes cleave.
I’ve tried it previously as shadow and found it to be absolutely awful. I’m not good at playing shadow(because I mainly heal as a priest) but hekili was even worse.
I don’t think it’s even “perform average”. The times I’ve tried it, it seems to be like completely awful. I’m getting outdpsed by tanks when strictly following hekili.
edit: And I just logged in on my paladin without turning it off and I’m just sitting here like:
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TestyMadAmericancreamdraft-max-1mb.gif
It wants me to, on single target, use judgement twice in a row, without any spenders in-between them. Like, what? Now, I’m no retri god but that just seems totally wrong.
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I agree there, as I said a while back in another topic what used to be an average player in the past, is considered a bad player these days. There has been a shift in difficulty, complexity etc. And I have no doubt some loss of players can be explained by it at least.
I’m just not sure if that is the main issue for genuinely new players, from my experience they bumble along, pick talent points they think are interesting, just hit whatever seems to kill mobs (and honestly, while leveling, that works lol). The complexity of rotations is something you don’t really bump into at first.
I think what makes WoW unattractive to new players are not necessarily the same things as what makes WoW unattractive to more veteran players of the game.
I found it has more success in raids, where in m+ it tells u to press CDs at really dumb moments, bht i think thats its primary issue. It tells u what to press on a static dummy, meaning mechsnics are dropping snd its telling you to burst lol
I think its good for highlighting combos but really bad in a reactive fight, i wouldnt recommend its use actively by some do stsnd by it
Talking to my younger brother who’s 18, he finds wow interesting but when I describe it to him, he says there’s a huge number of things to do. He saw a video of a raid and told me he can’t understand anything of what’s going on, he saw the action bars and said there are too many abilities, how can you remember all the keybinds (I’m paraphrasing) and when I told him there were hundreds of mounts he was kind of shocked.
Moreover, he didn’t really understand the concept of levelling, as well as having to get so much gear only to lose it the patch after. He likes the game overall, but the first impression he has is just there is too much to do before actually playing the real game, and even then, you’d have to confront with the usual toxic playerbase (although he said it looks less toxic than the games - gachas - he plays at first sight, which is interesting).
I guess it’s a bit overwhelming for new players up until you understand how WoW works, probably many won’t even start because of this. And, to be fair, the game doesn’t really help you understanding anything, you mostly have to rely on external websites or addons to try and understand what is actually going on.