Are we seriously getting just an option for SF on the current hardcore servers? What‘s the point? The endgame gameplay is gonna be the same damn thing. We need to go all the way with this thing. Disable trading, mail and auction house even at level 60. Up the maximum number of professions and give us fresh servers. No more bots, no more goldbuying, no more gold farming, no more gdkp. You want to use petris? You gotta get the recipe and craft it yourself. Give us the real hardcore.
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Most players are not that hardcore, and prefer the simpler death-is-permanent rule, so I don’t know where the “We need to …” - you are the minority here, sorry to say that.
But you are free to use the addon if you want to test yourself even more.
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The thing is, most of us already have tested ourselves in SSF hardcore using the addon, right? And some of us even played by the SSF rules again on official hardcore servers.
So releasing SF without any changes to the endgame adds such a little value now. That’s why I’d love to see them add something new and challenging.
Sure, give as just an additional option to officialy restrict ourselves even at level 60 with a visual distinction, and offer a possibility to unlock more professions for those who walk the restricted path. That would be exciting.
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But people can restrict themselves if they want to. You want to restrict everyone else by force? Then there will be even less people on HC, they just probably don’t want to play HC the way you do, otherwise they would play with SF already.
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These opinions that players can restrict themselves on their own or use addon are so pointless. Why even add SF option or anything new to hardcore then?
But since we are getting changes and options to hardcore, we are discussing these changes.
No one is saying that. There are already two servers for those who want to continue playing hardcore the same way or restrict themselves on their own in any way.
But playing by more harsh rules on these servers with people cheesing their way or buying gold is not as satisfying as it could be.
There is no option for those who want to play more real hardcore challenge in an environment where every single character is truly hardcore made just as yours. And there is no option for more professions for those who want to restrict themselves even further at level 60, which would be needed.
They could easily create a pure hardcore environment on a new server with restrictions even at level 60 and simulteniously fix all the problems with bots. Instead we’re getting something we kinda already had with minimal impact on these issues.
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These high horse attitude make me say Thanks Blizz for not opening a SSF server.
Well thanks Blizz for not opening a SSF server indeed. What does that have to do with anything? Seems like you’re missing a point here. I’m all down for enabling groups. That is not the issue here.
By Blizz’s words: “Self Found is basically you are working by yourself, as far as the items you have.” Which I totally agree with. But this statement goes out the window once characters hit lvl 60, which is a mistake in my opinion.
Hardcore even with AH and traid for most people hard, so no
HC servers that now, need seasons
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I don’t always play Self Found, I don’t always play IronMan, but those wordings make everybody not play SSF like sekond grade HC.
Oh I did’t mean for it to sound like the regular way of playing hardcore is something less than SF or SSF by choosing these words.
I only wanted to point out that there are players who are allowed to cheese the way and they are ruining the hardcore environment for others and making the servers not pure hardcore. That’s what this topic is all about. Keeping the restrictions even at level 60 would be more hardcore, there’s no doubt about that.
At Blizzcon Blizzard announced they will also give a form of Self Found but next year. In what exact form and when it is to be released is yet to be determined.
See bottom pic.
Yet you persist.
Thank you for this info. Though it was said at Blizzcon that:
“We have a new optional ruleset coming to hardcore.”
“Players that opt in to this mode won’t be able to trade, use the mail or use the auction house until you reach max level.”
That’s why players are presuming that SF will only be an option on already existing servers. I’m excited to hear more official news about hardcore and hoping that this decision is no yet set in stone.
The #2 Blizzard policy is to create social games.
Professions also rely on some trading.
For the majority of the players these restrictions would simply mean they have to care extremely - only fighting trivial mobs and farming that gray BiS before leveling further.
Right now at the very least you have a stash (bank alt) with some bags and consumables to jump start your next adventure.
I understand the prestige of solo hardcore, I’m just wondering whether it’s too niche.
No. People know its only going to be an option because they literally said it will be. You will have something like makgora ears as a buff when you make it to 60 as self found.
All of that has been discussed already during the blizzcon period and I am sure you can find that somewhere.
That’s way we’re getting only SF and not SSF. Groups are allowed and that is a good decision. The queues for quest NPCs were the worst thing about SSF.
We’re talking about SF. Trading will be disabled already throughout levels 1-59. Disabling it even on level 60 is just a small step further but with an enormous positive impact on the hardcore challenge and the whole hardcore environment.
I’m sure Blizzard will think of a way to make all professions viable and not dependable on each other and implement it for SF. Make the rods for enchanters available at vendors or something like that. Personaly I would prefer for them to allow more professions for opt in SF characters.
The beauty of self-found mode, there’s not gonna be any jump starts than would trivialize your next adventure. And if you die, all that gold is gone. It’s part of the journey.
I feel like a lot of people are missing the point here so let me ask a question, why would anyone play the endgame content again at level 60 on their new self-found character? With no restrictions at level 60 there’s absolutely no difference between endgame for SF and non-SF players other than a cosmetic buff. I’m pretty sure most people will play SF only as a journey to 60 and then quit.
Why not add an option to stay self-found at 60? It gives us a new and more challenging way to experience the endgame content. And those who don’t want to stay restricted can easily opt out of this mode.
I feel like there’s a lot of people against because they don’t even care about the self-found mode.
No one is taking the current hardcore from you. There’s no need to defend the way you play hardcore right now. The current hardcore is staying for those who don’t want to restrict themselves and also for those who want to restrict themselves by their own rules.
But we ARE getting the official self-found mode, so make it interesting for those who actually want to play this mode.
Unless it’s your second character. btw did they mention mailing stuff? I can’t find anything official on it. By official I mean a news post or a blue forum post.
There hasn’t been any news or blue posts about specifics of self-found mode so far. Correct me if I’m wrong. All the infomation we have about SF is from Blizzcon and interviews.
“Self Found is basically you are working by yourself, as far as the items you have. You don’t have the ability to trade, you can’t use the mail box, even with mail to yourself, as well as no Auction House.”
No jump starts for any character with self-found mode enabled.
Most of what I saw was second hand as I don’t really watch or read Blizzard interviews. Thanks for the info.
Wait wait wait. You want to play WoW, not Skyrim with mods aren’t you? Stop with that uping of number of professions per character crap, they were designed for players exchanging trade goods, not some solo experience. Go pick fishing an try to find recource like leather, if you took engeneering and mining, in those floating crates.
Anyways SF players usually do not raid, so what the benefit of not lifting SF restrictions on lvl 60?
And why do we need dead on arrival SF fresh again?