Fine for Engineers, but imposible for LW. I not ever fish up Wildwine flowers, Iron Buckles and any usable potion.
I love proffs too much for ever do SOLO, but love self found part of it, and do on official server with no buff or special treatment.
Also I like have my Winter Veil gifts 
and my baubles from Gubber Blump and so much more in mail.
I guess I have to repeat myself yet again for those who can’t read. We’re talking about SF here, there will be NO TRADING. And self-found mode will definitely be SOLO experience “as far as the items you have”, which includes professions. Your statement is absolutely invalid for self-found.
This is not a solution at all. Official release of self-found hardcore deserves some changes for all professions to be viable without trading.
And what is the benefit of lifting the SF restrictions at lvl 60 if you’re not gonna raid?
Anyway this has a super simple solution. Just make an option to permanently opt out of SF anytime. This might be actually already planned, not sure. But leave an option to stay restricted even at 60. Everyone should be happy.
You’d be surprised how many players would love a bot free server. This would only work if all the characters would be SF restricted for all times of course. But there’s not much of a point to discuss this further, it’s pretty much clear SF will be just an option on already existing hardcore servers.
Ahh, so you want Special treatment? I hope answer is NO! You do SSF, you play game as is, not as you want!
This is hypocrisy, you want feel better, superior for playing SSF … but you want easy mode
At this point you must be just trolling. First of all, why are you talking about SSF? We’re only getting SF. You should know that by now.
And why are you again pushing this narrative that someone wants to feel superior? Nobody cares about that. You’re not adding any value to the discussion with these childish comments. Self-found is just another more challenging journey that some of us wants to try and have fun.
And what easy mode are you even talking about? On current hardcore you simply buy things from auction house. On self-found I would love to simultaneously grind blacksmithing so I can have rods for enchanting and grind alchemy so I can have potions for other crafting recipes. I would love to grind it all. You think that’s easier? You’re delusional.
Just as we got some changes for normal hardcore I also expect some sensible changes for self-found hardcore. After all the game was not made to be played this way so adding some changes for this mode is totally understandable. Official hardcore has been here only for four months so I expect it will be evolving in some way. If you want to play the game as is go play on era.
No, I’m not trolling.
If you play Self Found, you play like with addon.
Because all time you talk of (S)SF you say like:
.
And as long as you do proffs, and dress in blue/green from Quests is not
only more slow!
And Self Found is the way I play, NOT solo, but exactly Self Found - meaning I earn every single Cpopperpiece myself looting, questing, gathering. I don’t do groups or dungeons, but I buy what I cannot make. THAT is Self Found, Me having all proffs and not buying would be SOLO Self Found.
What having all proffs, and doing groups and dungeons would be, I don’t know, but Easy mode decribes it for me.
Well and to put more in relief: I play IronMan, so I’d like grey and whithe gear at Vendors because at higher level with no better gear than white and no talents, and no potions, and no external help, is no way I can kill mobs that drop OK for my level gear. But I would not like this, as it would downgrade my achievement TO ME. I don’t give a … how or what you play, but for … stop being on high horst and think you and your co-addon-useres are only real HardCore. A load of others doing their private challenges without special rules to help them along, say you’re not.
Well now you’re just making no sence at all.
No, official self-found is not gonna be like addon.
Luckily Blizzard’s view on what self-found means is very clear: “Self Found is basically you are working by yourself, as far as the items you have.”
No, solo in SSF means that you can’t group up with others. Which we’ll be able to, so it’s just SF. Don’t confuse others with your poor interpretation. Me personaly have no interest in SSF.
I’ve already made myself perfectly clear that this is not the case. You’ve created some kind of delussion that I’m an addon lover sitting on high horse, but in fact I didn’t really like the addon for its solo part. I like the current official hardcore best so far. The only people I look down on from my horse are bots and goldbuyers. And I’m excited for another official challenge and I hope for something new, not just a copy of addon, that we already had. So stop with this nonsence at once, we’ll have to play side by side on the same servers after all!
That’s simple, you can use the mailbox, just can’t send mail.
Bag space can be a problem.
Got you, that’s why I mentioned social games. Trading is about working together.
Like you said, it’s an option, so it can be fine. I suspect it to be very niche, but you do you.
I’d rather have them bring a better AH or group finder to classic than working on SF features. (It’s literally impossible to browse consumables as is. 12000 items in one category.)
That’s why you go on use words like Perfect, Better, Pure, More challenging?
And I say: SF - with groups, with dungeons, with professions is not more cahllenging, only more slow.
I hope they also add buff for IronMan:
- only grey/white gear
- no talents
- no buffs (only own class specific)
- no potions
- no groups
- no help from other
- no Dungeons,
But AH, all bags and mounts allowed.
So now I mount high horse and say: SF is too easy, have good gear with Dungeons, with tradesmen, with Quests. You please try IronMan for real challenge
As I do this, Groups and Dungeons were of no interest to me wiriting:
if you add no groups/dungeons here you have SSF
Then you could receive mail from non-SF characters, can’t have that. This would only work on fresh server with everyone being SF restricted. I wonder how exactly will they implement this. Make mailboxes and auction NPCs noninteractive for SF chars or disable some buttons. We’ll see.
True. Could use a bigger bank also, haha. Either way a small price to pay for all professions being viable on SF.
Sure, and the limit for number of primary professions a character can learn is in the game to encourage socialising and trading between players.
Since trading will be disabled in self-found hardcore the limit for professions doesn’t make any sense, and some professions are pretty much useless without trading. Self-found mode is the ideal opportunity to experiment a little bit with the profession system.
Sadly they leave the work on such quality of life improvements to addon creators. These changes would fit in SoD just like a better WSG queue system. A wasted opportunity.
There will never be an official mode that would restrict groups. But a variety of achievements for official hardcore inspired by the addon would be amazing indeed. Even more with rewards like titles or even mounts. I could totally see the future of hardcore in achievements. It would add so much variety, challenge and value to the game. Hardcore players do love achievements!
Probably not, but Blizz recognize IronMan Challenge with nice arcticle when first launched (2012, March I thnk)
Nope. I do, will do, and have done IronMan since 2012 for only fun and honour. Would have liked Achievement in Retail then, but now is too late. Ach in HC not necessary, as no dead ones walking.
I just want buff so is easier to know if anyone follow same rules - just for curiosity, and maybe leaderboard. Is NOT addon-thing, is from waaay before addon was even thought of.
Implement achievements.
I’ve decided to quit Retail WoW for Classic and to concentrate on Classic, especially SoD and now HC, and will go down the Solo Self Found route on HC servers.
Going to re-roll post reset in Hardcore.
I did find doing HC without solo self found made my complacent and died a lot, so now I’m going to re-roll solo self found so I can be more careful.
But I do like the current set up because it gives players a choice on what to play.
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Yes the point of no trading in SF is to limit you from being able to get benefits from all professions. That includes recepies like engeneering target dummies, the most life saving item in HC after Petri flask and Light of Elune, that require not only mining, but also skinning to craft them. You can theoretically get some leather from chests in open world or via fishing out crates, but that is the point of the SF challenge to get these as rare supply without braking whole base of WoW design or giving everything to one player.
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I don’t agree with this at all. The only point of self-found is that every piece of gear and every item you either found, got as a reward from a quest or crafted yourself. You actually could get all the benefits from all the professions on SF without any changes if you’d be that insane to constantly juggle them around. It is stupid but possible, which implies it’s an unresolved game mechanic for this mode.
I get your point, but this only works for some recipes like your example with leathers. It is only a result of lazy implementation of self-found restriction without additional relevant changes.
And again, I don’t agree. The point of self-found is not for it to be a tedious boring grind of chests and crates, but to have a better feeling of accomplishment from building up your character without receiving anything from others and because of that play more carefully and enjoy the hardcore journey in slower pace for a death would be even bigger loss. Grinding more professions would expand this feeling.
Though I like fishing as a relaxing part of the game and it would be nice if more professions could benefit from fishing in some reasonable way.
So in other words SF is self lie that you can successfully play this game without others, when in reality you have to slow down your pace, avoid hard and group content while killing boars with bare hands to “compensate” and calling it HARDcore. The only exiting thing about HC is mortality of the character.
If that’s the way someone wants to play hardcore, i don’t care. Doesn’t sound like a fun to me though. The risk you want to take is totally individual and it’s same for SF and non-SF. Playing more carefully doesn’t necessarily mean you have to kill only green mobs. For me it means be more focus, don’t make mistakes and have good strategy in dungeons. The main difference in SF is that you can’t easily buy gear and everything for gold from your main, you’re not even tempted, so you care more about your gear and your character and it feels more immersive. That is my kind of fun.
No one prevents me from having played like this in 10 years (IronMan). I love official HC servers ad s one life uinite us all. We can all add own challenge. Is lovely!
Well you’ve just proved the point for SF and even SSF players who want their own server. The rules that unite us. Just as we hardcore players love our official hardcore servers where everyone is united under the same one life rule so would SF players love their own server where everyone is united by the self-found rule. SF players will most likely not want to group with non-SF players, there will be SF only guilds and the realm will be divided. For everyone’s sake it would be better to have a new SF only server. And just like there’s a free transfer from hardcore to era upon death, there could be a free transfer from SF to non-SF for those who wish to opt out of SF anytime.
Yeah, yeah… everyone can make their own rules by which they’re gonna play, we don’t have to repeat that over and over again.
Please read ALL I say - I played wiht Self found rules since 2012. I am happy on HC server, where one life unite us and we all add own challenges. Don’t want other 
You totally NOT understand what I say.
SF is playing solo game in an MMO.
Like playing Skyrim.
I don’t see why you cant do that on any other server, its a solo game so who cares?