I fully agree. Honestly, I don’t particulalry agree with Brigante, but making fun of someone’s illness goes way too far.
Oh my god…
I mean, its not about being so much as “ahead” , and more about just letting it pass instead of further picking on the subject and insisting on going on, and on and on.
Anyway, if you wish…
Here:
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In the quote above you are purposely mixing stuff in a way to save face, as that bit was about you asking for a source regarding Blizzard dumping all blame on a single character.
Regarding that part, and after referencing it both passively and actively, i ended up pointing at the novel War Crimes, where Garrosh (and garrosh alone), was trialled for stuff aaaall the faction did under him.
Funny thing is, that upon facing said fact, you first tried to claim it was unrelated to the topic at hand (which is a blatant lie as it can get), and then shifted to the forenamed Ad Hominem. -
You see, i didn’t feel like pointing at the interview, because i didn’t want to go with your feigned stupidity (that i suspect was a mechanism to bail out). I didn’t dignify this attitude with the things you asked for, because sincerely, didn’t feel like doing it. But, since you insist so much, and given you genuinely seem to have forgotten what a trending topic said subject was, here you have it. The interview:
There is a conscious effort to balance “bad” events for factions in WoW’s storytelling. Battle of Dazar’alor is the “response” to Burning of Teldrassil when it comes to the balance of power between the factions.
Shocked? Surprised? Yeah…you shouldn’t be. You’ve referenced this bit of information on plenty threads that came after this interview.
Unless your brain is that of a Goldfish, my bet is on you acting dumb purposely regarding this information. Given the usual back and forth around here, anyone that has spent about an hour reading these threads knows about this interview.
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Mocking illnesses, I do not agree with.
But thats an indifrutably, coherence to the most popular of cermonts and beliefs.
That summary isn’t exactly what was said, though. And it throws the replys to two questions together. Yes, they say that Dazar is a (not the) response to Teldrassil in as far as they wanted to give the Alliance a tangible hit against the Horde. And yes, they do try to balance losses and victories within the war plot. But no, they didn’t say Dazar was everything that was needed to create balance.
So… no, Word of God did not tell anyone to see Teldrassil as repaid. In that interview, at least.
I never asked for this.
It was unrelated. I asked for citations of your claims about Blizzard’s mindset, and you answered by bringing up some irrelevant facts about Garrosh. And do not dare try to counter that by bringing up the time I asked for citations in response to your claims about Blizzard’s mindset, one of which were that Garrosh was to blame for all the atrocities done in Southshore and Gilneas specifically. That was never said in War Crimes, and even if it were, it is disproven by the very fact that Genn still wants vengeance against Sylvanas in Legion. Your point is mute.
Congratulations, you finally stopped trying to bail out on your responsibilities. And what a shocker, they never say Dazar’alor was vengeance for Teldrassil. You just made that up, like always.
I of course knew everything about this interview, including the fact that they never said what you claimed. I just wanted to embarass you by once more illustrating your illiteracy.
The word “vengeance” is literally never mentioned once. That was about balance of power, not justice of revenge. You made all of it up, just like I suspected! Blizzard never said Dazar’alor was vengeance for Teldrassill! I am starting to believe your brain is that of a Goldfish with how consistently you fail to read what is in front of you.
You literally said that: Keywords being “Night elves had vengeance for Teldrassil with the raid of Dazar’alor” about the interview! Nowhere does it say that! See, you cannot be trusted to act honestly! I knew this, yet you got all hissy about “ad homs”. You lied! You lied! You lied, and I have proven it!
Listen, you cannot make a convincing lie while showing text that proves you wrong!
Not my summary.
Fine by me if you want to put under scrutiny if its either a “the” or an “a”, but if the set of questions is carried towards a route that obviously puts parity to the forefront (would be intellectually dishonest to not acknowledge thats the purpose of it), and if devs take those two events and equate them in such a broad manner, they are weighting both similarly.
Otherwise, there would be no point of invoking any “balancing issue they are taking care of”.
Aah, the last resort: getting pedantic and grasping at words.
How is it that you were all the time expecting me to quote an interview about Blizzard saying anything about “vengeance”, when the claim you asked source for didn’t mention said word either?
The “vengeance” word came as a way to direct you towards the thread that tackles this interview. Its a word that gets repeated a lot there:
But, if your only straw left is that Blizzard didn’t outright say Dazar’alor was the vengeance for Teldrassil, then i can end this right here. Wasn’t asked on sourcing that, was i?
Yes.
They don’t equate them. They relate them. There is no weighting going on.
Getting pedantic?!
This is literally what you said:
You literally claimed the interviewed asserted the Night Elves had vengeance in Dazar’alor! Those were your words! That is why I expected to see this! How are you this dishonest?! You cannot back-pedal from this! What is your response to this?!
I am not getting “pedantic and grasping at words” as a last resort! I am showing what you claimed and that your source does not contain the information!
Yes, you were:
This is the paragraph you responded to with your link, meaning you were asked for it, and acknowledged the charge.
You lied! Now, are you going to own up to it like an intellectually honest person and apologize for lying and admit I was right to doubt you, or keep dodging the issue, acting like you are still in the right, when all facts prove you wrong, just to save face?
Now just wait how Zarao will twist his own words. Isn’t this amazing?
My guess is that he will chicken out, but I kind of want to see him try to wiggle out of this corner he has painted himself in. It should prove entertaining.
/10chars dot,dot, dot.
EDIT: (Forgot to answer the post that was kinda worth answering).
Whats the point of talking about a balance issue if you aren’t weighting the events that you bring as a case or proof that shows you acknowledge the issue?
They are talking about unbalanced stuff as a case to show they care about balance?
And there it is, he is not even going to acknowledge he claimed this:
Is this really the best you could come up with? The interview did not even claim what you asserted it did.
I mean, it does not even fulfill your original claim:
Everyone can see the fact that you lied, and you are just going to ignore it? Pathetic. Honestly, pathetic. If you are going to fail this hard, at least make it entertaining for me!
That an event was meant to go towards creating a balance doesn’t mean this event alone created the balance. Yes, they made the Alliance attack DA because they needed an Alliance response. Yes, this went towards balancing the losses. But no, it doesn’t mean that DA alone was repayment for Teldrassil. It might be, but no one said that in this interview. UC probably also counted a bit. And there might be future events that they have planned.
And no, they didn’t just bring DA and balancing the factions up. That was Taliesin in several different questions. Really, if you want to use this as a source, you might actually want to listen to it. Asking me to explain your source is kind of asinine.
I did.
And i already explained the why and purpose of the wording.
Which is more than you have done regarding your apparent psychic powers that somehow had you waiting for an interview that referenced “vengeance”…45 minutes before i even typed that word.
I mean, i know that at this point the only thing left for you is to grasp at wordings, and that you need to mix posts separated for about an hour in order to build something to hold on to.
But as an authority regarding what i said, or meant, i’ll clarify for you once more: My initial post, the one you asked a source for, didn’t say a word about vengeance. And despite the wording isn’t exactly the same as the one the summary has, in essence the message remains the same.
You can’t bail out of this fact by trying to grasp at a later post that had as function to direct you to the thread that debated said interview.
Well, you can, but you’d be essentially building your own strawman to argue with.
PS: Not really fond of people butting in discussions that don’t have to do with them, but this:
Is rather rich, when coming from the guy that not long ago tried to make “tacit” pass as “outright”.
Pfft, at least I am honest to myself and to others. You are one of the worst persons I’ve ever met, and I’m not joking. You don’t care about others, you ridicule them, you change the context and your own opinion.
I’ll admit that I confused the attitude of the Forsaken in regards to the Grimtotem and that I forgot the exact quote, but I went out of my way to prove myself right, and you just scrambled some irrelevant passages together to disprove the obvious, something that was already very clear from the start.
You go out of your way to win any possible argument, and you don’t care how dishonest or venomous you have to be to win it. Your kind is what makes these forums the cesspit that it currently is.
For all our sakes, leave these godforsaken forums forever.
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I awaited that interview, because you claimed it said the Night Elves had their vengeance. That is your wording. Why you made it, matters not. The fact that you claimed it, and it turned out false, it all that is needed to prove you a liar.
“Grasp at wording”, are you listening to yourself? You are the one who started talking about vengeance, you made the claim, and I proved you wrong! If all you have left is to repeat this absurdity, you should realize you lost the argument.
And then you made another post, claiming it.
No. It is entirely different. They talked about balancing victories, you talked about justice and vengeance.
I am not bailing out. I am pointing out that you made a claim, which turned out to be untrue. You cannot bail this out by disregarding your own claims, cherry-picking which of your claims are to be considered, and dismiss you dishonesty by claiming people are getting hung up in words, when they are disproving the exact wording you used! You made the claim that Blizzard saw the event as vengeance for Teldrassil. If I illustrate that is not true, then I am not “grasping at words”, you are just being a pathetic liar trying to backpedal out of being exposed.
Spin it however you want. You claimed Blizzard used the event as vengeance for Teldrassil and that they believe the Alliance cannot demand justice after it. The interview does not support this. That is not me “grasping at words”. That is me pointing out that the words you claimed were said, were never said. Like, you should understand that which words being said matter a lot. Else you can just look at any text and claim is asserts something it does not, which, to be fair, you already do.
I think I will link this conversation to the off-topic thread later, to humiliate you further.
Really? Wow…
Its not me the one that butts into a conversation with a post with close to zero discussion value, just to throw mud at the one whose opinion i disagree with. Not the one that tags someone’s point of view depending on how i personally feel about the person making said statement.
You don’t like reading opinions different to yours? You don’t like having someone challenging your own point of view? To the point you feel like throwing around moral judgement over the person behind the character?
Mate, i’m not the one being “venomous”.
If the answer to dispar points of views and what you perceive as argumental fallacies, makes you automatically feel the need to be the chorus with stuff that attacks the person directly, instead of the arguments, i’m afraid the one with the toxic behaviour its you. Not me.
At least Wimbert, who up-voted this hearty post you just made (![:roll_eyes:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
), tackled the issue with something akin to a refutal to a forum topic/argument. (Which was dully noted by the way, in fact made me go over the interview again to check if the initial impression derived from that first forum discussion/reaction was unfounded or not).
As much as I don’t really take things personally, this seemed rather excessive for a forum game. You should probably look into it.
PS: Not gonna bother going any further with that Sereluna post. Its absurd how it has devolved to the cheapest round of spinning over semantics.
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I’ve already said it, it’s not your “opinion” (which doesn’t really exist anyway, since you change your opinion whenever it suits you), it’s your rotten attitude that I haven’t really seen before.
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Yeah, its what usually happens with an opinion. It might change over time.
Not as fluidly as you imply it happens with mine, mind you.
As for the attitude…that’s harder to see. Specially given its subjective and depends on the eye of the beholder.
Being unnerved by a “headstrong” position, sure causes discomfort to some (specially if they take it personally). But the extra step of charging against the person does generate a more toxic environment than it should.
My “attitude”?
Without looking far, and keeping it to the last 30 posts, you personally have taken part or cheered by up-voting, behaviour that far from tackling the subject at hand, simply attacked the one posting about it (me in this case). Don’t you feel that’s toxic too?.
Not judging or feeling personally attacked by it (its a game), but…maybe you should look into it.
As much as i’m usually quite headstrong or vehement in my “opinions” (and of course, wrong on plenty occasions), going the extra mile to the point you feel the urge to gang on it and start hurling mud at the person, seems like going to far. Let alone that last post ![:astonished:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/astonished.png?v=6" ":astonished:")
Don’t want to invoke the “Forum Police” or whatever you want to call it, but dude, that other post was bordering on being reportable.
Do not take it personally, but as much as you feel like you have me on your back, i swear i don’t feel half as strongly about you (or anyone around here for that matter).
Its just a forum for god’s sake.
Want a virtual conciliatory handshake? Totally serious. No hard feelings.
Straight up lies to people. Posts sources proving that he is a liar. Still takes the moral high ground, insisting he did noe lie because his critic is “grasping at words”. Not a venomous personality.
I love this idea that you can literally state a proposition, have that proposition disproven, with your exact words, and then defend yourself with the idea that the other person is too pedantic over semantics.
Zarao: “Blizzard claimed A.”
Me: “Actually, as shown by the source you provided, they did not.”
Zarao: “Wow! Why are you so pendatic! Just because I claimed they said A, and they did not, does not mean I was wrong! Sure, they did not say A, but they said something different, and that is basically the same thing. You must be really desperate if you try to refute the claim “Blizzard claimed A” by showing that they in fact did not claim A. You are just grasping at words! Why on earth did you think A was relevant?! Just because I said A, does not mean I have to prove A. Words have whichever meaning I need them to have at the moment.”
I wish there were a report function for lying. Zarao would be gone before he could come up with another defense for Sylvanas commiting genocide.