I read that like 5 times now and i watched the video too, this is really confusing.
Again marvelous analysis 
Still I give the guy credit for actually caring enough about the topic to put in the effort to make a video. It’s more than I’ve done, so hats off to him on that score - even if he is on whe wrong side 
It’s for this reason that I’m increasingly sympathetic toward J Allen Brack, and coming around to his point of view. I feel that we truly ‘thought we did. but we didn’t’, when it came to recreating the original game from 2006.
It’s closer to the truth to say that we wanted ‘some’, of the original game from 2006, but alongside it we wanted all the modern QOL, convenience and instant gratification of retail. We basically wanted to have our cake and eat it.
I say ‘we’, but obviously I don’t include myself. I genuinely wanted the whole Classic experience, along with all it’s grind, inconvenience and time sinks, as it was, and unchanged.
I used to think I was far-from-alone in this, but the way people played Classic with it’s boosting/speed running/meta, along with mass support for the boost has starkly revealed that I represent a tiny insignificant minority.
The truth is, most people want fast, effortless, easy levelling, or the ability to skip whatever they dislike, and care only about end game, parsing, min/maxing and phat loot.
Congratulations J Allen Brack - you had the last laugh.
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Hello,
First of all, I’m happy that you actually watched the whole video and i’m actually surprised to find a constructed criticism about the video.
Alot of people are making ad hominem attacks about ‘’ small channel, doesn’t read forums blablabla’’, while I feel it is a discussion made on all platforms and probably overkilled.
I really never see that argumentation when it’s the bigger youtubers making a video about ‘’ why the boost is bad for the game’’.
So I actually really appreciate the fact that you took your time to watch the video and respond to me. I’m going to elaborate a little bit further my reasoning so you have all the cards in hands. I will probably ( and i mean certainly) not change your mind on that subject. But I do like a healthy discussion.
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The game is already ‘different’, so adding changess such as boosts ultimately makes no difference. : Now, maybe i have worded my thought wrongly, But at the end of the video, I made it clear that If mage boosting ( and soon to be paladin boosting) didn’t exist or removed ( like exp changes / dungeons being interesting only on the same levelrange and raids like ZG not giving any exp anymore), then I would be the first to hate the boost.
People ACT like only a minority use mage boosting, but that is simply not true.
Also people saying that it is still ‘’ an interaction in game and a service you actually pay from a person’’, while the gold is farmed gently from them for a specific amount of euros/dollars…
This is an actual issue, and that’s why it’s different for me. NEW PLAYER experience is at it’s worse, even for me being a reroller, I had difficulties to level with people and had to resort to quests, grinding and the occasional ZF / BRD, because of sheer luck.
So for me, The boost is a possibility for NEW players, to actually give TBC a chance, while if they began lvl 1, they would probably stop before being able to see the Dark Portal because ‘’ they don’t want to play solo in an MMO’’.
How is it different from retail leveling? Except retail leveling can be done in 8-12hours? ( NOT LIKING IT, before smomeone says ‘’ Go back To Retail’’.)
What I wish, is Normal leveling through quests and dungeons ( without higher levels, without ZG, without those easier possibilities). Then the New Player experience becomes better and then we can talk about boosts being bad. Because ultimatly, the game did change. -
Like I said in 1, The world is ruined. Don’t you think that people that took the boost once won’t reroll to play other characters so ultimatly repopulate those areas too? ( Especially if they also act on the boosting meta?)
I know, Slippery slope, devaluating efforts, giving an easy cookie to make it easier etc etc, but ultimatly, Does it really affect you the player? Because I can for sure say that It affected my experience to see nobody wanting a Tank for ZF, Maraudon, SM, Temple or any higher level exp dungeons. I have 2 lvl 60’s, a rogue lvl 42, a Warlock lvl 37, a war lvl 26, I LOVE leveling, BUT I HATE it being a solo experience. Will I use the boost? Of course, and I would like to know, all the people that are hating the boost. Are they going to take the boost or not? I really do wonder. ( I have around 10 friends, ready to jump in TBC, and i’m happy for them and myself to enjoy their company). -
I get what you mean, but like I say, when people will taste TBC and like it and put many hours in to it, they will probably reroll and that will in turn populate the lower zones even more. Again, in 2month time, when TBC is out and done. Nobody will ever talk about the boost again ( Prediction, don’t shoot me )
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What I meant is, that Outland will be more populated, and of course it will dwindle down, but it will also be higher than if there wasn’t a boost.
It is truly not a minority. People cry about mage boosting, but uses themself because ‘’ yeah if everyone is using it, why bother and not use it’’. It’s the same as buying gold from bots, everyone is against it, but howcome there is still a market for it? We can wish for botters to go away and blizzard handling it themselves, but it is still a Supply/Demand thing. Blizzard can’t stop players from buying it. I wish it was different tho. This inflation is really bad.
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You are correct, it is not good. Instant Gratification is bad, but it is still a game. TBC classic is a thing, and people wanted Vanilla and they have gotten Vanilla. Why can’t people only want TBC and the things between lvl 58 and 70. It is not retail, and you are right, WoW would be better without it. But why are we fighting the boost and not the real problem that exists RIGHT NOW? ( botters, gold buying, mage boosts, etc ? )
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I have probably worded myself incorrectly, I meant that there is alot of videos, talking about ‘‘Yeah We wanted classic because mainly we wanted a world without microtransactions and no cash shop, no boosts, just no shop.’’ While for me, it is just a minor thing ( opinion ), and that what I remembered, is that people wanted classic for the gameplay and for the fun / reward/ achievement/ feeling. And with Classic we have gotten a little bit of that and loads of super mega META things to sabotage ourselves.
It was not meant to be a strawman, because everyone got their reasons, but for me, a cashshop is ridiculous and bad, but it is definitivly not the reason why I wanted classic.
My reasons are not more important than yours, but I feel like we are not shooting at the right direction. Really the lvl 58 Boost is only the tip of the iceberg, and maybe we should break the foundation of this said Iceberg.
Hopefully you understand my reasoning, Maybe you are not sharing it and that is perfectly fine. I did try to give solutions in case of the boosting happening to tackle the bot problems and the ‘‘noob’’ problems. Altough for sure, thunder will first strike me before it ever happening. But we never know.
Sorry for my bad writing / mistakes here and there, Kind of late and not really re-reading myself.
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I’m a fervent lvling lover tho, I love to grind and to use my time in timesinks. I just love MMO’s. What I don’t really like is, not being able to find a group for a dungeon as a tank. Because, why level through a dungeon yourself when your mage buddy can do it for 15g / run ? ( ZG )
Yeah that was a great memory. A very social experience I would say.
Don’t categorise me as a guy that wants Instant Gratification, wants easy access etc, because really, people that want that, already got that with Mage boosting. It is vastly slower than the ‘‘58 boost’’, but gosh It is actually the same at the end.
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I mean, an easy solution is that they can limit the time period of how long the boost is available.
Boost is available for first 1-7 days.
This will also fall into Blizzard’s saying “Catchup with friends” or what not.
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I’m concerned about how this will aid boting, and I only partially mean gold sellers, I’m more considered with bots that farm gold for use, which will cause a insane inflation, also no matter how you say bots will find a way a boost will cause a boom of the numbers because it is faster for bot farms to buy a boost. Also how it will further just depopulate the world - because I saw all this crap already happen before, it’s the exact route and exact same arguments ( save the mage boosting meta one) that we got before. This is the gateway drug this time, not the cosmetic pet shop.
The crux seams to rest on the fact the worlds are dead already due to gold buyers buying boosts, so Let’s just add a skip button for money. So instead of demanding blizzard fix this issue you just want to ask them to sell you a skip around. Doesn’t matter it will further depopulate the world, doesn’t matter it will bring a bigger influx of bots to trash the economy, what matters is you didn’t have to deal with the problem and that is the only thing that matters?
Also if this is all about choice why do people keep recoiling at the idea of Fresh no-boost TBC servers. Almost as if they know if they don’t force people to play on the same servers not enough people will stick around on servers with boosters, which is just silly.
No really, why? The only argument I ever hear about this is the most cringe inducing " won’t somebody plz think of the expenses of the mega corporation who’s CEO makes 30 million a year?" grade response, people spinning sob stories of the poor downtrodden blizzard that already takes money for a monthly sub being unable to justify the expense of a few servers going up. Despite the fact they did find the money for adding new servers since vanilla to wrath without nickle and dimeing their customers.
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I will snuggle in bed now with a biiiig smile because of what you wrote there. I cant add anything really, because i have the same questions and i dont get such a behavior eather. Thank you for your awesome post !
… Okay you are either being insincere in the first sentence to play a " How do you do fellow grindy people" which would be the most weaselly crap I’ve seen in ages. Or… I dunno you just forgot where you were going with this?
The question is if you love leveling so much why the hell do you want to waste 15g for a ZG run? As a tank no less it shouldn’t take you more than 40 minutes to glue a group together by just whispering eligible people to come. That’s what I did and I ain’t even a healer or tank.
Mate, I never, ever used a boosting mage to level.
This is a rhetorical question from another perspective.
The Whispering thing is what I had to do, but sometimes you don’t have the time to use 40 minutes to create a leveling group, and then do a dungeon which could take between 30mins and 2 hours depending the dungeon.
This shouldn’t happen if there isn’t the ‘‘boosting mage’’ option.
I feel you misunderstood me, so that’s why i’m responding.
The only REAL objection for boosting is the Economical one with bots buying boosts ( if they will do or not, because to be honest, their leveling speed is not prohibitive enough to stop them from botting).
People need to own up on the fact that buying gold makes the supply go higher and not vice versa. The lesser the demand, the lesser supply they will furnish.
Ofcourse the buying gold bit is the core reason, you can’t however just bet on a honor system for everyone to stop. So the issue lays with the next in line - Blizzard. They made gold buying a bannable offense and they barely enforce it, it is their lazy compliance that spins this wheel.
A more cynical person might say Blizzard allowed a problem to fester so they can sell us a solution. Or not even a solution, a " skip problem" button.
And regarding the bots, sure it might not be prohibitive, but if the boost costs what a current boost dose ( IE 15 euros with the expansion ) then a bot on a average gold farming website right now can make the difference back in half a day of farming, since 1000g for 25 Euros seams to be the going price. So while it is not a obstacle for Gold sellers, it is a gateway to make money a lot quicker. And increasing efficiency to maximize profit is the goal of any business.
Can’t say much about it since again, It’s Blizzard AND the players fault. We should take our responsability.
15 euro a boost? For me it is clearly a 60 euro boost.
TBC will probably be the same.
they pack 1 Boost cheap in to Shadowlands for 15 euros, some worm mount too but the boost is important here.
Even if that’s 2 days and the boost paid for itself, while a mage boost takes days and gold they could be selling. Boost is still better efficiency and profit maximization wise.
Yeah but that won’t happen in TBC mate. It’s going to be the normal boost.
drymouth lisper lmao. nobody is going to listen to your non-arguments.
boost is bad for wow period, nothing you say will convince me otherwise.
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In the end, money wins period. All that blabbering is pointless 
This can be said for both sides of the argument. I’m not against the boost, but I am against the stuff you guys fear (aka wow token, max lvl boost etc).
The whole slippery slope argument and “just use your head, it WILL happen” mantra is also very opinionated. Even Madseason said that he’s not claiming it will happen the way it did with retail, and that it’s just speculation but that is what he fears. Don’t forget he also claimed the boost had some benefits.
Blizz knows fully well we have very strong opinions about Classic and TBC, don’t you think they know that if they would implement, say, a wow-token more than half the playerbase would vanish? They said so at Blizzcon, they want some changes but will have to be very careful as to not tarnish the TBC experience that we know.
You can ofc argue that with this boost that already has happened, but I still firmly believe a one- time per account boost to get to 58 that enables you to play with your friends is not gonna diminish the Outland- experience. 90% of the people are going through the portal with their mains, so I bet you won’t even see the army of 58- boosted chars that will ‘destroy the game’.
I say again: above is my opinion. I have been insulted because of it but I stand by it, just like you guys do with your opinion. And if you’re right and blizz implements a 70 boost, wow token, etc… I’m gonna be the first to make a forum post saying I quit.
And to the people saying you won’t play TBC because of this: You might not play at the start, but I wanna bet a lot of gold you’ll at least try it out, if not after a few weeks of being stubborn
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I share the same opinion.
I feel we are fighting the wrong wars.
Boost should be okay, and we should clarify that it is the only thing that we are okay with.
Clarify that the Mage boosting ( soon to be pala boosting) is not okay and should go.
Clarify that the economy is busted, what are the solutions to it?
Bots? What are we going to do about it?
Those are real ACTUAL problems that we face, why are we trying to fight a fear that only happend on retail and there is no hard evidence of happening in TBC classic?
Why fight the future while we are still stuck in the mud in the present?
That’s why I made the video. We should have our noses pointed at the right direction.
Bet half of the community of anti-boost, would not speak up if it was a free boost instead of a paid one.
Fair enough and thanks.
I could dispute your disputes, and continue the debate, but I’m just going to leave it as it stands, given it’s your video, so the last word can be yours.
Also, I don’t appreciate the people posting abuse, both on here and in the comment section of the video. Youtube comments are typically a toxic cesspool anyway, and reading them invariably leads to madness, but it’s quite clear that the obnoxious troll who posted abuse earlier in the thread also did the same in your video’s comment section.
I hate the boosts as much as everyone else who opposes them - perhaps more so, because I’ve thought the issue through extremely carefully, including the historic context, but abusive language just makes people look like a childish brat.
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Well, it’s a pretty emotional subject. I really do believe opinions don’t really change.
I didn’t see a Anti-booster change their opinion and vice versa. I don’t even know if someone can change my own opinion. I just tried to raise awareness to the fact that, there is plenty of other subjects we need to discuss and change before we change the future.
I feel that the urgency shouldn’t be : ‘’ let’s discuss the boost’’ but more, let’s discuss how to fix the actual game OR discuss about future implementation ‘’ Boost is happening, How to make everyone or the majority happy about that subject.’’
World is made by compremises am afraid.
Also I see you are from Hydraxian Waterlords, are you playing Hardcore classic? ( I also do play it), So I hope you can see or understand that i’m not a player hating leveling and classic, I just hate how it became. Phase 1 and 2 were fantastic ( 2 because I like the World pvp, and even if it was frustrating to raid and get killed on the way to the raids etc, it was one of the most social things happening in classic.)