Why vulpera?

[Velharia-argent-dawn]

@Namr-chamber-of-aspects

Still, it’s generally a pretty uncommon concept compared to some others we see in most fantasy worlds.

Yeah, Vulpera are one of the more unique WoW races, definitely one of my favourite races. Especially love the Pirate Vulpera.

[Rektem-stormscale (Rektem)]

@Namr-chamber-of-aspects

Quite so. Let’s go through the list, shall we?

1. Tough survivalist people from an extremely harsh environment, where the Zandalari send their own people to die.
2. Have tight family values.
3. Are creative, resourceful and opportunistic.
4. Can be quite vicious and fearless, as seen with Nisha.

I’d say those are the traits that the Horde values.

Quite the original concept of a race and certainly of Horde values.
Not.

Take a look at the Tauren. A nomadic kind of people who recently settled down in a canyon. They build their encampment ontop of a canyon and use magical elevators to get on top. They’re closely related to the spirit mother who they revere and worship. Their whole life revolves around revering nature and the spirits so much that they don’t hunt for sport, but hunt for food and use as much materials of the animal they kill as possible, which you can see from the way their tents are designed.

They were the race that brought back Shamanism to the Horde and thought both the Darkspear and the Orcs about it. They’re also prone in druidic magic.

And then you have vulpera “desert foxes who are made humanoid, literally took the concept of real life desert foxes, they’re close related to the elements because they need food and water (lol). They somehow are knowledgeable about fel or arcane magic despite being stuck in a desert hole their whole life, they’re cannibalistic and their family values are just a tiny community of vulperas that didn’t decide to eat eachother but stick together because snake people are evil towards them”

Quite the concept really.

@Velharia-argent-dawn

you don’t know what furries look like do you

How do you still try to shift argument about this? The original Tauren do not look like “UWU /licks you” at all. They looking like monstrous enemies that would pike you onto their horns if you messed with them.

Warcraft Tauren Quotes - YouTube
wow they sound just what furries sound like don’t they?!?

@Velharia-argent-dawn

no they literally didn’t,
Orcs in this game are literally just the “honorable savage” trope mixed with the Warhammer art style of Orcs.
Like… WC1 was originally a Warhammer game, The Orcs are literally just offshoots of the Warhammer ones.

You have literally no authority over originality.

Orcs are just barbarians but have an interesting history with the demons, fel magic, invading Azeroth and their whole shamanistic background being lost but resurrected.
Same as Humans who are a “known fantasy trope” but that’s not why they’re interesting, but their history about the 7 human kingdoms that were on the Eastern Kingdoms and all the history that they have within Azeroth.

[Namr-chamber-of-aspects]

@Velharia-argent-dawn

Especially love the Pirate Vulpera.

We call them “Quitters”.

[Velharia-argent-dawn]

@Namr-chamber-of-aspects

We call them “Quitters”.

Brave thing to say in cannon-fire distance, landlubber.

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

They are trying to cater to everyone a.k.a Self Destruction Mode Is On

[Izzyfuriouss-magtheridon]

Imho, thats the thing that makes the game into a SP experience (outside guilds, m8s) in general. I really wish they didn’t go for mainstream appeal constantly. And just let the crap players find other games to play if they can’t handle certain stuff.

[Namr-chamber-of-aspects]

@Rektem-stormscale

And then you have vulpera “desert foxes who are made humanoid, literally took the concept of real life desert foxes, they’re close related to the elements because they need food and water (lol). They somehow are knowledgeable about fel or arcane magic despite being stuck in a desert hole their whole life, they’re cannibalistic and their family values are just a tiny community of vulperas that didn’t decide to eat eachother but stick together because snake people are evil towards them”

Hmm? They’re not cannibals. It’s been confirmed by the developers that the tails hanging from their wagons aren’t vulpera tails. They’re just fake decorations.

As for the priest and warlock vulpera, I agree that those don’t really make any sense. The shaman could though, since the vulpera are the kind of people who would benefit from the connection with the elements. They certainly make more sense than the goblin shamans.

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

world of warcraft was originally going to be a warhammer game but when the creators of warhammer pulled out of the deal blizzard decided to use what they had already made to make their own game

so as the death knight pointed out our orcs are not unique they are simply WAAAAAAAGH! 2.0

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

Yea especially since the MMO market is loaded with games for casuals who don’t care about the quality of the game
…but then the lead designer is a guy who is trying to judge “fun” with statistical analysis lol

[Rektem-stormscale (Rektem)]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

world of warcraft was originally going to be a warhammer game but when the creators of warhammer pulled out of the deal blizzard decided to use what they had already made to make their own game

And they did a good job with that, else it wouldn’t have gotten so popular.

@Namr-chamber-of-aspects

They certainly make more sense than the goblin shamans.

just because Goblin shaman make less sense doesn’t mean that vulpera shamans suddenly are okay lol

[Namr-chamber-of-aspects]

Why not though? Not all shamanistic societies on Azeroth are based on the same principles. Look at the stark difference between the Tauren and the Taunka shamans. The Tauren revere the elements while the Taunka force them into submission.

[Blinkrush-magtheridon (Blinkrush)]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

so as the death knight pointed out our orcs are not unique they are simply WAAAAAAAGH! 2.0

Yesterday I was reading LitRPG which had classical fantasy setting but there was a mistery race of traders… 20 pages later I was reading a copy/paste of Draenei story and they even used Draenei name lol

When it comes to fantasy these days I feel like everyone is stealing other people ideas and creativity is dead

[Velharia-argent-dawn]

@Lutia-argent-dawn

WAAAAAAAGH! 2.0

WAAAAAAAAGHHHH!!!

Gorgutz' Waaagh - Sound Effects

I do love Warcraft Orcs but they are basically just “Warhammer Greenskins but they’re not evil”

[Souldefíler-silvermoon (Souldefíler)]

@Rektem-stormscale

Taurens are minotaurs.

Someone doesn’t understand the Minotaur legend.

Interesting note. Actualy pronounced the Mee-No-Tor.

Wonder how many people pronounce it the My-No-Taur…

Anyway. On topic.

Far as I am concerned Allied races started and ended with BfA when all they did was reskin existing races and switch factions, sometimes giving them absolutely pathetic reasons for it.

Alliance we have
Kul Tirans? Yeah.
Dark irons? Yeah.
Lf Draenei? No reason to join Alliance
Void Elf? Reskinned blood elf to give Alliance “High elves”. No reason to join Alliance.
Mechagnomes? Oh good god… They should never have been added in the first place.

Horde.
Zanadalari. Yes
Mag’har Orcs Yes
Vulpera Yes
Highmountain tauren. No reason to join Horde
Nightborne. No reason to join Horde

Now we come to suggestions, most of which are just “I like the look of them”

Sethrak. Absolutely NO reason to add them as an allied race to any faction.
Ogre. I could see them as Horde, but as nothing more as footsoldiers. They have no reason to align themselves with Horde, they are just as likely to smash a Blood Elven skull with a boulder tied to a tree branch as they would to a Human’s skull.
Vrykul. Even though I would love to see them, again. No reason to join any faction. Only possible tribe would be the Stormheim tribe, and even then they only cared slightly about Silly Sylvy trying to steal Val’kyr’s powers.

And those are the most sensible I see of the numerous requests.

I don’t even take into serious consideration efforts like Tuskarr or Murlocs.

[Namr-chamber-of-aspects]

@Velharia-argent-dawn

I do love Warcraft Orcs but they are basically just “Warhammer Greenskins but they’re not evil”

To be fair, they -were- made unique in WC3 and arguably from Classic until WotLK or Cataclysm. They were made to actually be honorable and spiritual people who got tricked and were trying to rebuild and return to their more noble and shamanistic roots.

Buuuuuut, then Cata came and the orcs unfortunately were just turned into “Me like war, me smash!” stereotype so common in many other franchises. This became even more pronounced with WoD. Now they’re indeed just Warhammer 2.0 orcs.

[Lutia-argent-dawn]

pretty sure the Lightforged joined the alliance because their High Exarch rejoined it i did smirk a bit in legion though he was such a draenei weeb : P

it was like lady liadrin 2.0 and her light obsession:P

[Rektem-stormscale (Rektem)]

@Souldefíler-silvermoon

I could see them as Horde, but as nothing more as footsoldiers

Wrong, they are skilled in shamanism, shadow priests, arcane and fel. They also have hunters with pets.

@Souldefíler-silvermoon

Someone doesn’t understand the Minotaur legend.

Interesting note. Actualy pronounced the Mee-No-Tor.

Wonder how many people pronounce it the My-No-Taur…

They look like minotaurs.

[Veratyr-bloodfang]

Got2apealchinamarket.

Hope this helped.

[Livía-aerie-peak (Livía)]

Ogres pretty much just switch side to whoever punches them the hardest…

[Brigante-argent-dawn (Brigante)]

@Popgligor-magtheridon

People like you who think there’s anything degenerate or sexual to the vulpera have some severe issues.

That is actually a good point. No one is sexualising the Vulpera apart from those who have an unhealthy obsession with sexualising the Vulpera, who are generally…those insisting there is something sexual about it. I mean that’s not what I see, when I see a Vulpera character, I don’t find them ‘sexy’ So who exactly is the ‘degenerate’ here?

@Tarrook-argent-dawn

Cho’gall
Mar’gok
Gorgog

I Literally stated Mar’gok. Gorgog is historical (Although I love the idea of him killing Gronn to prove that they were not Gods) and Cho’gall is hardly a barometer of what could make a good player character.

@Rektem-stormscale

They have Rexxar and there’s an entire Ogre clan part of the Horde in Feralas.

And Dustwallow Marsh, and technically one that you enlist in Tanaris.

@Rektem-stormscale

Taurens are minotaurs.

Anthropomorphic humanoids. You can’t claim they ain’t Furry material…

@Rektem-stormscale

You forgot Cho’gall, Dentarg, King Gordok, Mug’tholl, Mogor the Ogre and lots of other Ogres.

Probably a reason for that. If they were memorable, I would have remembered them. I mean I remember Cho’gall, but thats hardly a good look.

@Rektem-stormscale

Are you forgetting how powerful and wise Ogre magi are?

I’ll take ‘powerful’ but I’ll pass on ‘Wise’ as we don’t really see that at all in game or story.

@Rektem-stormscale

Yes I can see why Vulpera would appeal to grown ups… yeah dude.

You ever seen the film, or as I believe the current TV Series “Dune”?
Yeah, the Fremen. That’s your Vulpera right there.

@Rektem-stormscale

You are talking about clothes when almost all of the male characters walk around bare chested, like Garrosh, Illidan, Thrall to a certain point lol

Yeah, and they all look like they stepped out of a BDSM nightclub. Not sure where you were going with that.

@Rektem-stormscale

And what appeal does Vulpera cater to? LMAO

Well, Given their origins you could go several ways with it, I mentioned the Fremen from Dune, that works as an ethos, you could also go with the piratical side, or you could go with 1,001 Arabian Nights and the multitude of concepts in there. My Vulpera is a sailor, a smuggler, but not a pirate, he loves all the foreign lands and the weird and wonderful creatures he sees and sometimes has to fight, and getting rich. He’s basically Sinbad the Sailor. Because the Vulpera are a perfect culture for someone like that to have come from.

@Rektem-stormscale

I love how you make the excuse about Vulpera being put in the game out of nowhere, while the Ogres have been relevant since Warcraft 2. You’re just biased.

I’ve never said there -shouldn’t be Ogres- I have simply said that as they are currently I don’t find them appealing, and why?

@Rektem-stormscale

As if Vulpera are popular because of your reason… LOL

You were doing so well till the acronym. As if they’re not popular because you find them sexualised, ‘LoL’

@Rektem-stormscale

No that’s a furry thing. And seriously, are you comparing Orc blademasters to weeb culture?

Err, yes? They’re super turbo powered ninjamatic musclebound people with Katana’s. They are totally and completely designed for the Weeabo market, just get over it.

@Rektem-stormscale

Shamanistic culture is more than that. They’re literally just cannibalistic murderous thieves/scavengers.

Right OK, let’s throw out the Cannibalistic part, as there is no evidence at all that Vulpera are Cannibalistic, nor any suggestion that they are.

Murderous? That sounds like most Horde races.
Thieves? That sounds like most Horde races.
Scavengers? Well that sounds like some Horde races, but also they live in a freakin’ desert? How are they meant to survive, clapping their hands and thinking happy thoughts?

@Symy-draenor

More relevant question: why gnomes?

Because they have the singularly most grim backstory in the game, and if more people played them that way, the game would be a happier place.

@Rektem-stormscale

They’re minotaurs? lol They’re humanoid bulls/cows, without the furry aesthetics to them

What the…? Do you actually know how the Minotaur came to be? Because by the way it was Minotaur singular, there was only ever one, slain by Theseus.

I’ll put it gently. They could also be classed as Furries. I mean I have one myself, same as I have a Vulpera, You can’t deny that Tauren are not catering to the Furry market, when they fit the exact definition of that market.

@Velharia-argent-dawn

considering you’re playing an Orc Male

Bizarrely the most Homoerotic combination in the game. “I’m going to get all angry, and work a sweat up, and then wear some BDSM gear and hang out with other big muscly people who have a sweat up and wear some BDSM gear, and growl at each other”

Seriously, Male Orcs are more homoerotic than the Volleyball scene in ‘Top Gun’, and that was pretty homoerotic. Just to clarify, there is nothing wrong with homoeroticism, not my cup of tea personally, but y’know, it be cool. Male Orcs are depicted that way, just embrace it man, like you’d embrace your burly sweaty Orc man.

@Rektem-stormscale

Taurens aren’t furries.

They completely are.

@Rektem-stormscale

Quite the original concept of a race and certainly of Horde values.
Not.

Do you know what the Horde -does- actually stand for?

@Rektem-stormscale

And then you have vulpera “desert foxes who are made humanoid, literally took the concept of real life desert foxes, they’re close related to the elements because they need food and water (lol)

Because those are completely two things you don’t need in a desert where regenerating people are literally sent to die. -lol-

@Rektem-stormscale

They look like minotaurs.

There was only ever one.