The spirit of classic/vanilla WoW always had some taste of tryharding and frustration. On one hand because of droprates of (quest)items, on the other hand because you would always have to invest a certain amount of time and sweat.
If you break it down, it is what makes the biggest difference to retail for most of the players. You somehow feel like you earned it, by having the discipline to farm and to do things over and over again. The slow pace can be somehow calming (almost boring), yet be motivating to group up and combine forces to be more efficient.
When I read these posts asking for seperate queues for groups/solo I see the same dynamics that led us to retail-esque elements of the game over the past 20 years: the prioritising of casual needs. Changing the queueing system for battlegrounds would go in a similar direction, because you take the frustration out of a game that has frustration as a method for you to grow as a player (and to feel rewarded). Itās not like Iām excited about queueing against premades, but sometimes I even win with my random mates and that feels really amazing. Additionally Iām afraid that the implementation of group queue (=rbg) would result in community voices asking for rewards for playing that āharderā mode, what instantly would lead to boosting because casual players cant wonāt reach that content easily.
Iām not trying to gatekeep here, but to make a point about where the nostalgia lies for many players and why we have to stick to that frustration that lies in the soul of classic WoW. SoD should be an extension to classic with more features and content, but I would never want the base of the game change so drastically, since premades have been a thing in Vanilla, Classic, Classic TBC and Classic WotLK.
If you follow this idea of Classic WoW, premades are the only method to overcome the exciting task to farm an amount of 21k reputation (by 205rep per win) to get exalted. Because if you complete it, you won against premades, you won against pugs, you queued solo and with your gigachad premade mates. I want to this to be a journey and not to be handed over to me by being balanced out and super fair to everyone. Classic is not and has never been balanced and you should be able to feel that in every aspect of the game. Thatās what made me coming back because I feel like I play a big meme and thatās actually fun.
TL;DR SoD is fine gg
P.S.: Maybe I did gatekeep a bit.
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The main difference between SoD + Classic + Vanilla is that in Vanilla, people actually spoke to each other to form proper friendships from around the globe, it felt new and fresh to be on voice comms chatting to new people of different cultures etc. Nowadays people only text, becoming a soulless entity on the internet that has the only function to be able to supply rewards to each other, friends of convenience I think is the best way to put it.
People are likely struggling to enjoy content because the content in a vacuum is boring, it is now and it was 20yrs ago but, we had each other, the banter and fun times over TeamSpeak/Ventillo/Mumbles. I even recall one of our guildies doing a radio gig over TS who would read us WoW news, do song requests and quizzes. Fun times!!!
Now what do we have? We have very few people that actually want to connect with each other outside of loot/exp acquisition. We try and power level the content (thanks to YouTubers and their meta/minmaxing ways) and then expect people to dedicate their time to help us and when they donāt?..ā¦ well people buy gold off the bots and then make it even harder on ourselves because this drives away the players making it even harder to find people to do enjoyable things with.
To quote Radiohead:
āYou do it to yourself, you do
And thatās what really hurts
Is that you do it to yourself, just you
You and no one else
You do it to yourself
You do it to yourselfā
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Nobody says there shouldnāt be premades, they should just play against each other. But thatās the point. You bastards donāt want fair games against other premades, you want to farm random groups quickly and easily.
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This exactly, no matter how many times you bring it up that premades are fine , they just have to face eachother and not pugs, they try to spin it in a way that people donāt want premades at all and make these clown threads.
They are afraid of premade vs premade only because they wont have a unfair advantage that way so they are desperate to try fight the idea. Cuz they are just simply noobs and have no other options.
And this idea that implementing a premade vs premade is a RETAIL thing, complete bs putting a premade vs premade system would literally have nothing to do with retail, it will be just vanilla classic where u face premades as a premade thats all there is to it no need to overcomplicate things, but no they are in desperate need for premades to be left the way they are because they donāt actually want to pvp at all they just want to see half of the enemy team afk at graveyard alt tabbed cuz they donāt want to waste their time playing with 0 healers vs 3 priest healers 5 boomkins and 2hunters with world buffs and consumes.
This is the same reason they leave when they face another pug thats better, they just give up so they can move on to the next queue which will hopefully be vs a pug.
Pretending they like pvp while at same time being desperate to AVOID it , afk vs premades, give up after 1 flag / afk pugs vs them with a 2min win.
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I have several questions:
- How unavailability of preform any kind of groups for battleground helps to avoid no healers in team? (on alliance side its all the time). Premade is more about composition, gear, communication. Pugs also can have composition, gear and communication. If you have 2 healers with pug group and premade has none, you probably will win that one. But if you have 0 healers and enemy team has 2 even they are not premade - you gonna lose.
- If you block premades, imagine I visit random bg and after I joined and got 2 priests in a team, I just link the discord server link and ppl started to communicate with voice. Is it premade? Or is it not?
- How you want to treat 2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 people premades. What kind of group they should face? And what about 9 ppl premade and 1 random person in that group. He registered to battleground as solo (so hes random pug), but he faced premade. If you register 9 ppl premade, you should play 9 vs 10? And 10 ppl against should be 10 ppl premade or it should be only 9 people premade? Could 9ppl premade face 8ppl premade? Could 8 ppl premade face 7 ppl premade? Could 7 ppl premade face 6 ppl premade? Could 6 ppl premade face 5 ppl premade? Could 5 ppl premade face 4 ppl premade? Could 4 ppl premade face 3 ppl premade? Could 3 ppl premade face 2 ppl premade? Etc etc etc.
- You want to wait 3 minutes BG and lose to premade or you want to wait 2 hours to finally find the equal composition for your setup to get same 1 mark to lose to premade less size thn 10? Or even lose to completely pug group.
- On level 25 where everyone can be easily killed by focus (even priests), what is a global difference between premade or non-premade? You canāt use chat like they do? (most premades do not use voice)
- What is a great problem about find your own premade or make one, all you need to use LFG chat (you can use addon named LFG Bulletin and just look into Warsong Gulch section). I understand, you want to press the button and visit the battleground to get 3 mark, not 1, but maybe 3 mark requires little more effort thn press the button, probably it requires to write the guy āinvā?
Btw. Premades was made not to get easy wins against weak, premade was made to save time, because of how messy it could be to play with fully random group. They donāt want to rape you on a graveyard, they want to save time and get reputation faster, because this is how game was designed - to get reputation on wsg, you need to win, not just messing around in the mid like pugs do.
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Are you some kind of a troll again? Who here is saying that premades should not be a thing, did u try just bring that up?
Literally all of your questions revolve about premades not being in game , which is not what any of us want, we want premades vs premades only.
If u queue as a 2-5man premade u face 2-5 man premade with pugs if u want more than 5 people pug u have to go full 10 and thats it, fast queues still maybe not instant but still fast.
The entire problem is people donāt want to actually pvp they just want to skip the pvp and get the rep, so its ruined for every1 premades that quit after they see they are facing a premade or a 2min no gameplay win vs pugs, WSG is a joke in this current state, no1 that queues solo can enjoy the pvp at all 90% of the time.
90% of the premades queue it so they donāt have to actually pvp as well because of the current state, if there were premade vs premade queues only then ppl would form premades to actually have fun and PVP and not just try to avoid pvp in order to get rep like you said.
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Unsubbed today.
I cannot tell you how to enjoy your game and if āstomp or get stompedā is the kind of deal youāre looking for, then great.
I tried both queueing up solo and as a premade.
I personally find camping the other faction at their graveyard not very engaging, neither is being camped at your graveyard.
Since there is no half measure I guess Iām out.
Itās a shame cause in every other aspect i love this game, and have loved it for a very long time.
I play this game for the casual pvp, if I canāt do this thereās no reason sticking around after having cleared the pve content a couple of times.
(Retail isnāt for me, imo they added too many classes and mechanics that I donāt enjoy.)
EDIT: if dominating the other team time and time again is really what you want for honor and rep they added a playmode for you in retail, itās called comp stomp and idk but farming graveyard wheter itās players or bots seems the same to me. 
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Can you read my post again AND with attention? I need just 3k rep for exalted, but you all still crying here āhow hard to play WSGā, jesus. Maybe you should find a premade group instead of whining? Donāt you think its a more productive time spending? Problem with premades I described in my post, donāt ask fkn questions from my post again.
Bro really thinks classic is more sweaty then highend retail content wtf 
also getting gear from mythic raid always feels rewarding since the bosses are very hard. but now to the actual thread: Nobody wants to destroy premades they just should fight each other.
there is no such thing as premades without priest.
Yes this is the problem , selfish noobs like you only care about rep and if it means destroying the WSG and PvP for every1 else who is interested in PVP its fine for you, i can find a premade no problem, it doesnt remove the problem that needs removing it just accepts the problem.
Its not hard to play WSG it is a s*itshow that is the problem, there is nothing hard joining the premade and afking if u meet another premade or capping 3 flags in 2mins if its a pug on other side, you are out of touch with reality clearly.
But hey as long as u get those 3k for exalted right.
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Yep this is exactly what the problem is , all of these noobs like this Prey guy are only interested in rep for their purple item, they donāt care AT ALL for PvP, they want to get it out of the way for the item and they NEED to meme it as much as possible, thats why they are so desperate for premade vs premade to not be implemented because otherwise they would actually have to engage in PVP and put effort into it, hence why they call effort at the moment joining a premade lolā¦ noob clowns never cease to amaze i guess.
I tried doing a propper premade and every single premade that we met gave up after losing a fight in middle and just went afk in GY, same was for pugs its impossible to actually have fun in PvP outside world ganking, ashenvale sucks, wsg ruined by noobs who joined a PvP match to not PvP.
Yeah, please, can you copy-paste your post one more time? Some people on Alaska still didnāt heard your whine. Calling someone a āselfish noobā only because heās playing this game as intended and didnāt even asked how long he playing WoW - its a high level stupidity, congratulations.
I can copy paste my post 50 times in end of the day you won;t have any relevant counter argument because its simply true, i donāt have to ask how long you played the game at all, you clearly just need 3k more rep and this āproblemā wont concern you anyways right, thats where its clear that you are just a selfish noob.
If I need a reputation(like everyone in this game but not you), itās not mean I canāt kick your unskillful a$$ on a battleground, kid 
And looks like I already did that based on your personal attacks against me.
Personally, I advise you to play retail WoW since you canāt handle SoD, they have guides and tooltips for disabled persons.
i doubt it since you are clearly against PvP and propper games, you really just spent 10mins thinking of a reply and that was the best you could come up with , yikes
Yeah, I clearly against PvP only because I play battlegrounds like it was supposed to be (āpropperā games, like you said.)
Probably you, the guy, who canāt find a group and press proper buttons to win, are the true avatar of PvP in WoW.
Wait for your next childish response, my friend, you can google some words, if you need some time, no need to rush.
Finally a premade sweatboy admitted that he doesnāt want to play fair games in pre vs pre.
Fair game for who? Who disabled your ability to join the group for battleground? Jesus Christ?
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