Why we should never have TBC servers!

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The small vocal community that wants TBC repeats themselves every day and TBC was garbage for everything but raiding, which is why the best scripted private server ever with it’s vaunted spell batching is FAILING to hold an endgame population atm. Want to play TBC? Go play it so you can all realize how bad TBC is. It sucks past the VANILLA leveling process. Have fun getting people to do nerfed, known raids, when all TBC has is raiding. The people claiming it had great balance are delusional and obviously never got out of Kara or engaged in high end arena, where only a few comps dominated. Entire classes weren’t brought to Sunwell like Mages and they had no offspec to get that raid spot. It wasn’t uncommon to have them sit outside raids and hand people food/water just to earn brownie points/DKP so they could be brought in when the content was on farm.

Arena also took away class freedom and forced you into specs. You had no flexibility. You spent money to respec from a spec you often hated in PvP to a spec you often hated in PVE where in Vanilla you only had to play the spec you hated in PVE. Do you think all rogues wanted to throw away their daggers and be the stupid hemo spec with imp poisons that no longer had burst? It’s the most boring rogue spec in history with none of the carrots on the stick to keep you playing. Do you think all mages wanted to be frost instead of elemental or fire or pom /blastwave? All because arena made all other pvp and therefore specs which could be good in other forms of pvp pointless?

Let me sum up most of these TBC posts. “Hi, I ruined the modern game crying about “balance”, but refuse to play it, so I want to ruin Classic WoW to. TBC was great even though I never did anything in it and raided Kara all expansion. I got to press lightning bolt and a dumb totem macro though so it was AWESOME, even though elemental shamans sucked compared to Vanilla, because resilience and lack of burst made the class crap without CC. I am going to pimp TBC every single day on this forum and then when we get our TBC server I will never play it, just like all the people who cried for it never play the private server versions.”

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Lets just wait until Classic Vanilla is done and then hope they give TBC on separated servers.

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It’s kinda how this “Classic” got made… a small group of people wouldn’t stop asking.

Like it or not, TBC had private servers bigger than Nostalrius. There is a huge market there

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TBC servers never had bigger population then Nostalrius lol what are u talking about.

All TBC servers right now are failing to hold healthy endgame population

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All they failed because two reasons: buggy AF, and Blizzard took down many of them.

TBC community ia big enough to claim official legacy servers.

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Same was said for Classic and they’ve all but confirmed that they will make a TBC server.

As I said above the same was said for Classic.

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So this is the new Wall of No?

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I forgot about that. I wonder how that worked out. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I adored TBC. I thought it was a very faithful successor to Vanilla when it came to the lvling experience.

It had better balance than Vanilla. Still far from perfect though.

Blizzard had trouble balancing pve and pvp since day 1 of WoW. That problem is absolutely not unique to TBC.

Strange. My guild had mages who raided in Sunwell even during progress. And I don’t recall other guilds benching their mages either. Maybe it was just my server?

Lol no this pve/pvp problem stems from Vanilla, not TBC. It just became more obvious in TBC due to arena.

Let me sum up your post: “I have an unreasonable hatred towards TBC”

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playing since wotlk on private realms the community just always hops between classic,tbc,wotlk and vanilla is forcing u into speccs too or wait no the community does. :slight_smile: and in tbc every class can hit gladi but not every specc yea.

But do u take a moonkin into ur vanilla raid? guess not

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TBC pigeon holed you into specific PvP specs hard. Water Elemental, the spell that I see many mages proclaim their love for, fuked up PvP balance for Mages so hard that Frost became officially recognised as “the PvP spec” for mages for several expansions. It was so bad that it was obvious that Blizzard had just given up even making the other specs viable for PvP by some point in WotLK.

Heck, Frost’s reputation became so big that even now I see many people regard deep frost as the de-facto PvP spec of vanilla as well, even though it simply wasn’t. Many mages back in the day stuck religiously to AP PoM Pyro even after repeated nerfs. PoM frost became popular after the nerfs, and by the time the mage revamp came around Elemental started to become real popular. Deep frost is certainly a good build in vanilla, but I’m confident that the % of PvP mages with that build never once got close to 50% back in the day.

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I did. I played it first on retail, back in 2008 (between 2.3 and 2.4), on Hellfire EU. And then on Excalibur WoW, until approx 4 or 5 years ago. And that’s why I want it back. Pretty sure I’m not alone in this.

This part is funny, because it almost sounds like you’re implying that you can’t enjoy TBC solely for its PvE content because it’s “known”. Considering I’m in Vanilla solely for the PvE experience, too (I couldn’t care less about Vanilla’s PvP, if I wanted to do PvP I’d play WotLK probably), I don’t really know what to say to this :slight_smile: . It’s almost like some ppl these days think that there’s no point into playing PvE content (or hell, any non-PvP game I guess?) that is known already.

Back on retail, I reached halfway through MH and BC, and on pserver I finished the whole PvE experience. So yeah, I did get out of Karazhan, thanks for your concern^^

The only guilds that would do it are the same that, in Classic, would only invite Human/Orc DPS warriors to raids, or would only bring 1-2 Hunters at most for the bosses that require Tranq Shot.

Yes, from a pure min-maxing point of view, Mages are a bit inferior to Warlocks in terms of DPS output in the end, because Warlocks scale better due to 100% crit chance and Imp. Shadowbolt.

Nevertheless, Mages are perfectly capable of going over 2k DPS, even in T6 gear. Yes, Warlocks in my same gear could do more, but I was still clearly above the minimum required for SWP raiding. Heck, Mages certainly did more DPS in SWP, comparatively, than Hunters did in Naxx content.

I honestly don’t know nor care as much about your bit concerning Arenas, because I want TBC back for its PvE experience.

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How about you stop doing what all of us playing classic hated when it happened to us - telling people what they do and don’t want.

I want TBC servers. I enjoyed TBC and want to play it again. Obviously you didn’t and that’s fine, you can continue to play Classic because guess what? Nobody who wants TBC servers wants them to replace Classic, they want them as a separate server type.

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What kind of bad talk is that? POM Mage was always bad in Classic its bad too.

Fire Mage is viable in Wotlk even Arcane u could play.

TBC is just like Classic some Specc/Classes are strong and some are completly useless

But in TBC u can hit glad too with every class and if u dont wanna min max then u cant compete in naxx speedruns either…

Oh yeah btw in classic they going to be some esport tournaments too for naxx speedruns and premade bg tournaments and guess whats all set ups and speccs are same.

every addon has its best and worst class designs:)

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I wonder if he really means “my favourite spec got nerfed in TBC so TBC sucks”.

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Warmane had 14-17k constant population online… That is a bigger average online pop than Nostalrius had.

You didn’t do any research, you just decided to say something and hope it’s true, but in reality, TBC was extremely popular in the private scene.

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Just gonna repost this here cause it’s still relevant.

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Can you guys worry about this when the time comes? You still got 2 years or so to worry about this? Bored already? Did someone PvP you?

By the way…TBC is Classic 2.0 … It is as Classic as you can get. Have any of you played TBC? Also, PvP / Battle grounds will have the same problem WAY before TBC. Such a stupid damn topic. Since Horde -ARE- Flavor of Classic this time round.

All these WOTLK babies/Cata Babies thinking they know what Classic is. They been there. They joined when Arthas was taken down. WOTLK is not classic Folks, far from it.

TBC again, is as Classic as you can get.

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People complaining about TBC classes not being PvE balanced realise that only 5 SPECS IN THE ENTIRE DAMN GAME are viable in Classic, right?

Hunter (2 specs)
Mage (2 specs)
Warlock (2 specs)
Paladins (All 3 specs)
Warrior (All 3 specs)
Shaman (All 3 specs)
Priest (2 specs)
Rogue (2 specs)
Druid (All 4 specs if you include feral DPS)

All end game viable in TBC and can completely hold their own with output and viability thanks to what they bring to a raid group. For example Enhancement not viable at all in classic, in TBC you bring 2 enhance per raid because they are so valuable to your raids output.

How people complain about TBC balancing, but praise Classic balancing is just flat idiotic at this point.

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i like arena its fun

right now i just sit in the city with 700gold and epic mount waiting for the id to resset and doing my rested xp on my twinks for split raids.

if p2 comes ranking for 13 16hours openworld pvp everyday (wow so fun) and then playing 16hours BG in p3 (wow so fun i gonna 100% do bgs after this again)

the entire reason i play classic is because i wait for tbc or a new wow bfa+ expansion to show up

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