Will casuals players clear the entirety of Naxxramas?

If you can clear LFR in retail then you gonna be fine

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It depends on TBC release. If they give us a 6-month period to clear Naxxramas, then yes.

The what release?

Raiding aint hard if you have more then 50 iq.
everyone can watch a guide / read
Even go to private server and learn it there.
Make notes to whatever tactics you find harder in your own opinion and should be good

I know of guilds that are very casual, but their members actually know how to play the game and know the itemization, the consumables and dps needed to clear every wing. Given what I’ve seen during the time of classic, I would strongly doubt they will have the damage for Patchwerk, thus not being able to clear.

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For most casuals 4 horsemen will be the breaking point as it was in vanilla.

Retail legal
Classic illegal

Everything can be bought/found.

But retail is made of the purpose to squize money out lf players to give advantage either in rp outif or any ingame small upgrades/advantage in any kind (less time needed to play) and more to come.

Blizzard MADE that :hugs::joy:
And that is called P2w

Enjoy that.

And now they will even remove the rng drops on bosses so u literally can pick what u wish at a point.

So gift raped in paper, or go to the mall where u can pick whatever u wish the most.

That is a opinion based debate. But wtf…
:man_facepalming:

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If you think about it, unlike Vanilla, Classic is around forever. So if a guild of casuals is determined enough, after many many months (even years?) they absolutely can clear it.

You know that old theorem of if you gave a room of monkeys a Gameboy with an infinite amount of time, they will eventually complete Super Mario.

Or was it if you give them a typewriter, they will eventually write Shakespear…you get the point.

Only variable is how determined they actually are. I am noticing a lot of raider burnout right now. People who were very active, disappeared with radio silence.

Interesting that they were fine with raiding boring MC for months, but quit just before the good raids come.

I have a lot old EJ friends, and few who still ain’t beaten at their goals/ranks. (logs/pvp) records w/e
Hardcore no lifers.

They did not really burn out, but rather got disappointed in blizzard way not to act and adapt.

A huge chump of the real hardcore geeks fleed back to retail to compete in races, because: 1 example, pvp going for rank 14. Was absolutely garbage. Pure pve ”who can stay online the most” or best premade. I believe blizzards intention wasn’t afking to r14.

U get the point.
Same with the content, we all knew it would be sure easy. But not this easy, and they left basically because blizzard are destroying the entire community, further more they added mega server instead of a lfg tool (which is a brilliant hidden masterplan by blizzard / to entertain the casuals to squeeze the maximum out of them)

And all of this together to yet again watch modern Activision, to yet again go for poor quality to gain the best income.

(sry phone spelling🤦‍♂️)

But a lot did burn out. But again, I don’t think the community are even close to what It was back then.
And it was the community more than the game itself there made the player continue playing for decades.

Back in 2006, the PTR for Naxxramas gave each tester a character with all BiS AQ gear. The PUG I was in couldn’t defeat the regenerating gargoyles, because the focus was just that bad. Never underestimate the ability of random players to screw up.

We are all someone’s casual, and given the results in BWL I expect more guilds will clear Naxxramas in 2020-2021 than in 2006-2007. But do most guilds have the potentiel to eventually clear Naxx? No.

Sounds good. Never tried naxx nor AQ40 and feared that it would eat up my whole spare time.
Im also playing roughly 10 hours a week.

TBC, it stands for The Burning Crusade. It was the first expansion for World of Warcraft and it released in 2006.

I know, I wasn’t aware they’re going to release anything after classic.

I should have clarified, i dont think a full lfg chat pug will ever clear naxxramas. But kill some bosses in there.
Pugs that would be able to clear naxx will usually consist of joined forces of guilds that already cleared naxx, and want to do it with their alts.

I was there on the naxx ptr, killed a few bosses, so its definatly possible.

That what i have said come from classic player here on forums btw.

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“Casual” and “Semi-Hatdcore” (lol) guilds are already imploding after 2 resets of wipes on Vael and Firemaw. But if you cleared BWL first week (even with a wipe or two), you stand a good shot at clearing at least to 11/14, the 4 horsemen is where the last wall of Vanilla is.
Back in Vanilla, I played in the casual guild that raided twice a week. No consumes on anyone but main tank and I didn’t even know what world buffs were. We itemized poorly and I as a mage didn’t even understand why I need spell hit on gear. The spells always hit, the mob just sometimes resisted them due to inherent resistance I guess :stuck_out_tongue:.
Yet we farmed BWL and ZG while joking on vent, we cleared AQ 20 first raid night and got to Huhuran in AQ 40. We would have killes her too, but nobody wanted to farm NR as TBC prepatch was about to hit.
And now the casual guilds have BiS list to aim for, lists of consumes (and those consumes are always up on AH as people know what sells), everyone and their mother knows about DMT buffs and songflower and head buffs - to the point cities are nigh-unplayable an hour before wednesday raid night, there are detailed guides for each boss fight on wowhead and kill videos from every class PoV on Youtube.
Any guild that can retain enought raiders to farm AQ 40 for however long it stays on phase 5 will surely clear naxx as well.
Just compare how many guilds cleared BWL on first reset. Hell, on first night. 10 per server? 15? More? How many did it in Vanilla? Nobody, that’s how many. Most servers didn’t even have 10 guilds that cleared it by the time AQ opened.
Oh, Naxx will get buldozed, believe you me. Not by everyone, but by everyone who gives it even a moderate effort.

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Raid logging won’t cut it for sure

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Private servers attracts the most dedicated players so comparing a pug on a private server to Classic WoW pugs is not a great comparison.

As said already there are guilds struggling on BWL - you wouldn’t see this on a private server, even pugs smash through it with ease.

Assuming 2x 4h raiding days (19-23:00) that’s 8h to raiding Naxx per week, which is normal progression.
That leaves 8h per week to farming gold.
The few tiers that people fall into for naxx:

  • Guilds who can do 2-3 bosses in most wings, but are stuck there - usually the guilds that never kill C’thun.
  • Guilds who get hardstuck on Loatheb - usually the guilds who have downed C’thun, but where it’s never taken for granted.
  • Guilds who get hardstuck on 4hm - This is guilds that kill C’thun most weeks, but sometimes run out of raiding time and have to leave him.
  • Guilds that clear all content np.

Fact is, and this is even more so on Classic than pservers, that MC and BWL are so easy, that most players can be carried. And even in AQ it requires a few weeks to weed out the underperformers. In several fights in Naxx, but most notable 4hm, every single member of the raid need to perform in order to down the boss.

Is it possible? Yeah, but progression raiding in casual guilds become VERY costly, considering every loatheb-wipe is around 50g worth of consumable per person per wipe, which becomes extremely taxing as you only have 8h per week to farm gold. Ofc on some fights the consumables are not required, but on Loatheb it’s literally not something you can opt out of.
More hardcore guilds will wipe less, but also have more gold to spend on consumables…

So the answer is: Casual players CAN clear Naxxramas, but you are stacking the odds against you when ask the bare minimum from your players throughout all content, and then for this one raid raise the level of demand drastically.

As long as you make sure most of your guildies are stocking up for Naxx already (most of my guild has been for months), I don’t see the issue. Not having to waste unneccessary consumables (such as flasks) on MC and BWL actually leaves us with more time and gold to farm consumables for Naxx