World First vs. DBM : Technically speaking 🛠

Technically speaking, all World First kills should be disqualified, and players banned, because they all cheated with 3rd party software like DBM.
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It’s only Thursday…

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Finally it is Friday! Oops, it is not Friday yet!

Who cares? The RWF is irrelevant

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Well, humans are not born with sneakers on, therefore sneakers are technically an add-on.
I believe that we should take all medals from competitors who wore sneakers while competing in various sports.

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did you get world first while on a public powergrid? Disqualified. You need to generate your own power using a bike hooked up to a generator.

Sorry I had to :smiling_face_with_tear: I guess the OP refers to the practice in FF as mods are forbidden there. WoW on the other hand, is the exact opposite.

based and truthpilled

also weakauras and bigwigs

true and real but the weak sauce playerbase could never survive without their handicap mods helping them along :smiley:

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People are just salty that others don’t want to do things the hard way.

And FFXIV does have a version of DBM like third party programs. ACT with a few plugins for it fit this bill nicely. Damage meter, ability triggers and others.

Don’t act like that game’s immune to this stuff.

Back in my day, we paid attention to boss ability recast timers, set stopwatches and called it out on ventrillo. Do you really want to go back to that? I don’t. Becuase that’s basically what DBM does.

what does it say about you, if you cant even mange to finish the raid with said addons?
this not ff14, no one cares

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it does but its also bannable getting caught with ACT can result in a ban what a lot of streamers don’t understand is that its not SE really putting down the foot but Japanese modification law by Nitendo that makes the addons illegal for FF 14 because ff 14 is majority a console game and they cannot addon like the pc players can

Except that’s what they’re comparing it to.

And the raid is designed with the addon in question. If you can’t manage to accept that other people are going to use it, then what’s that say about you?

BTW I never said I couldn’t finish the raid without it. I just choose not to.

Do you understand how ACT works?

They’ll never catch you using it without a Warden like anticheat.

ACT is a glorified packet sniffer. It works by reading your network packets sent back and forth to the server. That’s it.

you understand human stupidity and streamers showing them self using it on stream right and then whine about getting banned about it afterwards? generally when you hear about act its because some high profile streamer got caught using it i personally don’t care what your motive is for using act when the company tells you not to use it you can respect that or you can find another game

I may be naïve here but then how do people write DBM and the relevant weak auras? Surely someone has to defeat the boss to ensure that the information being pushed out by both DBM and WA is correct…

I cannot say who specifically informs the DBM/BW authors, but the general idea is that addon support for world firsts is developed during progression. Oh, it seems this ability happens this many seconds after this event. Hey, we got the spell ID for a new mechanic, let’s make a WA to track it. Plus unless there’s a secret mythic phase (it’s been a while?), it’s not like you go in with no idea how the fight will work. You have knowledge from lower difficulties and you have the Adventure Guide.

As I see it, the work to develop tools to facilitate these kills is minor compared to the work with mastering the encounter and optimizing the raid, it gets largely finished long before the boss dies (assuming a difficult one), and isn’t even done by the same people who are raiding, but rather dedicated sideliners.

Pfft, those world first groups have more tries within the first two weeks of a season than the average player will during the entire expansion.

After 100 tries, I doubt they need those DBM timers anymore.

But well, as you wish, ban all addons - see what happens. The prediction is not too colorful though, back to MC-like fights with very little happening.

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But it’s still the World Firsters that are playing the encounter in order to create the DBM/WA in the first place. So are they as reliant on the addon as is hinted at in the OP?

As I see it, isn’t it just an automated way of doing what the RL, or in fact any dedicated sideliner, was doing here and calling out what needed to be done and when.

Could they finish the race without any addons? I think many cant.