Dunno anything about that, but ACT by default is completely invisible, you can even hide its overlays from streams.
If you do it right, there is absolutely no way to know youâre using it without an anticheat, which theyâve repeatedly said that they wonât add.
That may change, however.
No, it was banned because it was automation, and Blizzard doesnât allow automation, because itâs a form of cheating. It also wasnât an add-on, but a separate from the game 3rd party tool, which also played a role in it being banned.
Blizzard rules are arbitrary, and can change at any given time, therefore they canât serve as evidence to what is or isnât cheating.
Thatâs why cheating is defined by the definition of cheating, and not by the Blizzard.
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No one is arguing what would happen if rules didnât exist.
The argument is whether rules change the fact that stealing is still stealing regardless if rules prohibit, or allow this act.
The same goes with murder, murder is murder regardless if itâs allowed or not.
Cheating is cheating, regardless if some subjective opinion agrees or not.
No, it doesnât âjust displaysâ data.
It actively replaces WITH AUTOMATION (which is against ToS) part of player skill set, it even actively warns people what to do or not to do.
People make mistakes, and thatâs the part of being a human, which is also the part of the challenge when you are performing in game.
Software doesnât forget, doesnât make mistakes, doesnât get affected by psychological and physical state of the body, etc.
Itâs not only cheating, because human skills needed for challenge are being automated. Itâs also cheating, because those human skills are being replaced by âperfect machineâ.
No, itâs not.
The basis of my argument is the fact that DBM is replacing and automating part of human skills required to beat the encounters, and the fact that Blizzard allows something doesnât prove that it is or isnât cheating, because their rules are subjective.
You are terrible at drawing conclusions, but maybe thatâs because you think you are right before you even read what the other person said, so you just automatically deflect with w/e nonsense your cognitive dissonance is telling you to do, to run from the facts.
So basically you devloved into:
"hurr durr im right, u wrong, because I said so, end of discussion" 
Their rules are not subjective at all. Either you break the rules or you donât. DBM/BW does not break rules thus itâs allowed.
If this is ever changed in the future Blizzard will need to redesign all their raids so you can actually see whatâs gonna happen. There isnât a single queue for some spells, the boss just does them.
Youâre talking about a game. If something is within the rules of the game, it canât possibly be cheating.
Yes, rules can change, and what was once acceptable can be unacceptable. This is normal and happens frequently in sports, for example, but that doesnât mean the participants that were following the previous rules were âcheatingâ.
I had to clean the house today after decorators had been in. Right mess.
Anyway I had YouTubeâs on whilst I did it, and a preach video played, pretty sure he said ff14 test the bosses extensively to ensure they are killable without add ons before release and as the rwf isnât as big that doesnât really play a factor.
Wow designers meanwhile have to consider what add ons will do / show and bosses are limited tested and the rest is done from best guess hence bosses getting nerfed as the rwf goes on.
Suppose you could argue either is best, truth is the ship sailed and wow wonât ever be able to be a no add on game, we are talking decades now.
Yeah but our argument is if addons = cheating, not if cheating is cheating.
You cannot make a comparison and say that if murder is murder, stealing is stealing, so cheating is cheating, when you are trying to prove that addons are equal to cheating. What you are doing is begging the question.
I think that you are confusing what automation is in context of the ToS. Automation refers to the part that blizzard has a strict policy of 1 keypress = 1 action in game.
The fact that you change the size of a weak aura is NOT automation, regardless if it has a n âifâ parameter in the code, since it only changes display.
It does NOT automate gameplay, since YOU still have to move your character/damage/heal/tank.
Yes, and this is why every high end boss kill needs 100-300 pulls+, since there are humans playing, not addons. Addons do NOT automate gameplay, just filter what information is displayed from everything that blizzard sends you.
They are not, if they were, race to the world first would be played by machines and be over in 1 pull each boss.
Also about the definition of cheat that you eluded to:
Cambridge dictionary:
Merriam-Webster dictionary:
To practice fraud of trickery
To violate rules dishonestly
Those are the most common definitions that apply to the game. For addons to fall under the definition of cheating have to either be:
In the 1st case, blizzard has stated that they are fine with addon usage and ToS allows them.
In the 2nd case, it also does not apply, since blizzard has mandated that no addon should be locked behind a paywall. Since the usage of addons are free to use by anyone they cannot give you an âunfairâ advantage, by the fact that anyone can use them.
If you want to make an analogy, feel free to compare them to Performance Enhancing Drugs.
There are sports/competitions that strictly prohibits them and enforce anti doping checks.
There are others that in fact allow them and most competitors kind of need to take them in order to compete.
You can feel strongly about one or the other, but at the end of the day, the company has the last say if they allow them or not.
You are free to say that you do not WANT them in the game.
What you cannot have without people calling you out, is changing the definition of cheating to say that they âshouldâ be banned, when it is strictly your opinion.
No itâs not.
No one is arguing whether cheating is cheating, but whether a specific add-on is allowing cheating.
No, itâs not, because Iâm not trying to prove that add-ons are equal to cheating, but whether a specific add-on is being used to cheat.
No, itâs you who is ignorant about what Code of Conduct (not ToS) actually says.
Quote:
"Cheating
(âŚ)Using third-party programs to automate any facet of the game(âŚ)
So no, it doesnât just mean âone key press = one actionâ, it means that you canât automate ANYTHING in regard to the game.
DBM is not only replacing player required abilities/skill needed to beat the encounter with machine perfect automation, but it is also LITERALLY automating a warning/guiding system to tell people what to do, or not to do.
No, thatâs a lie.
DBM has a built-in warning/guiding system, which tells you what to do, or not to do, so yes, they do automate at least part of the gameplay.
By this logic aimbot, or wallhack is not cheating, because people still die, and lose games with it
Do everyone a favor and stop playing devilâs advocate because you canât argue against reality.
You are literally using an example that supports my point.
Aimbot is considered cheating because it CHANGES player input. Instead of the cursor moving to where the PLAYER is moving it it SNAPS to the correct position, ignoring the player input. This is what automation means.
The addons we are talking about are NOT automating anything. Changing the display of information on the screen in certain circumstances is not the same as automating player gameplay.
Information display is not the same as automation. The fact that an addon has a reminder to dodge an aoe ability does not negate the fact that the player has to know: the range, duration, shape, hitbox of the ability, as well as the position, facing and speed of the boss.
Automation would be for the addon to make your character dodge the spell by itself taking into consideration all those parameters. If you find an addon like that, please tell us so blizzard can ban it.
I mean, as everyone else above you explained, the reality is that addons are allowed under ToS, everyone is using them, and blizzard has stated many times that they are NOT considered cheating.
I mean if you prefer a game that has different playstyle/policy sure, you are free to do so, but I do not think you will find any allies here.
Ff has mods also but they smart how they implemented it also all those players here i wanna see them kill ras mythic without dbm
FF14 has prohibited game hacks. Very different to WoWâs addons.
There are deaf and blind guilds that have completed Cutting edge and need add-ons in order to play. I like to see players like you and the OP complete CE raids without addons if you are so good btw.
Its doable. Interface will look absolutely horrid but its possible.
Just stop bothering replying to him. He lost his argument over a week ago already.
By the OPâs logic, then macros should be banned too under the 1 keypress=1 action thing. Example, am i cheating by making a macro for Ravager, Recklessness and Charge as its 3 actions with 1 keypress??
While it does reduce the learning curve and the number of pulls required to down a boss I personally do not understand why would OP want to remove an addon that basically helps out in the middle and lower end of the raiding spectrum. Player skill levels are vastly different and can process information in different ways, and addons like DBM help people who do not have the memory to remember ability sequences to keep up and still be able to raid.
With OPs logic though people have been cheating in MMOs like wow from the starts, since DBM does the exact same thing a raid leader used to do: call out mechanics ahead of time for everyone to prepare for them.
Banning it now would just mean that wfr guild spend more time raid testing, they would have a dedicated raid leader assigned with mechanic callouts, and the raid may take a week longer to clear. OP would also have to find something new to cry about.
Oh, and a lot of normal/early heroic/heroic raiding guilds will suddenly find themselves struggling, and a lot of players who needed these addons to keep up with their guildies who did not need it benched. A really weird life-goal to strive towards.
Also, didnât one of the WFR guilds do a race in FF14 during Shadowlands and clear it as well?
I think this needs to be said about this thread: Even if you dislike something or find it unfair, it can still be allowed hence not being cheating.
If Iâm missing an arm and apply for a job interview other people with two functioning hands should be disqualified from applying for that said job. Please.
Do your sneakers tell you where to walk with precise timer to when you should be able to dodge the dog poop on the street?
Did you ever read where i stated i am good or a CE player? I am not. Tyvm
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