World of Menucraft

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@Bewarê-frostmane

Read it. Again. In full.

Ok lets pick that piece apart for you…

@Bewarê-frostmane

For example, if you look at barrier of entry, that includes the sub fee, the time spent leveling, the time spent gearing and so on. Every other esport game with solo queue is a pick up & play-type of game, often being free of charge or at most a one time cost for the game, with cosmetics being monetized.

I allready gave a solution to bypass this problem. Gear cap per rating range:

200 up till 1400 with a minimum of 190 ilvl req to join.
207 up till 1600
213 up till 1800
No cap above that.

That way you can get in to soloq within days after dinging a character. This way you still have gear progress but no crazy gear gaps/requirements to join.

@Bewarê-frostmane

They’re also all with lobbies. There’s not a single solo queue afaik that locks you into a class/spec before you’ve even been matched up in the queue.

Nope GW2 doesn’t have a lobby. You can swap during the 2 minutes before the gates open but that doesnt happen often. We always have a nice mix of support (healers) roamers and more team fight-oriented classes. The reason for that is ppl tend to play versatile meta specs that fit with as many comps as possible since that gives them the best chance to win. E.g. moonkins in RBGs or firemages in arena.

@Bewarê-frostmane

And every single esport game has had to go to extreme lengths to combat toxic behavior. Outrage. Emotional responses. It’s because the investment is gone from a solo queue, little to no social awareness whatsoever, and so they have all had to find other ways to calm people down against their will.

You cant get rid of toxicity completely. But you have to compare it to the current situation in wow. Imagine being a new player in wow. Every type of PVP content is extremely toxic atm.

• Random pvp with a near 100% toxicity rate with constant flaming trolling afking leeching.
• Rated pvp with its insane number of boosters, causing false entitlement and false elitism. General chat that is unreadable due to the non stop spam of boost advertisements.

Soloq will see some toxic comments … but it’s not even comparable to the toxic cesspool we’re in now. Toxic comments are caused by a difference in skill, gear level, goals etc. All of these are vastly more dominant in any form of pvp in wow atm than they will be in soloq.

• Difference in skill gets eliminated by proper matchmaking. Due to boosting proper matchmaking is no longer a thing between 1600-2100. It will be a lot harder to boost in soloq so matchmaking will be better.
• Difference in gear level should be tackled by the gear caps.
• Difference in goals is a major factor aswell. With soloq you’ll see more like-minded players. Push your rating up a bit and you’ll notice that most will play hard to win.

@Bewarê-frostmane

Solo queue is definitely not a place where you make friends often. It can happen, but it rarely happens. Very rarely.

That’s an assumption. As i said…i have about a 100 pvp friends online during peak hours in GW2. Are there any wow players that can say the same?

Im not an exception either. The guys ive been talking to all have similar experiences.

@Bewarê-frostmane

But anyway, so with that out of the way, the way it can work as much as it has worked in other games, is by separating rated PvP into their own arena tournament realms, where you don’t load into the game world. You queue up from the interface. You also create ready-made characters with the click of a button in that interface, and set up the UI by loading into an empty world or whatnot.
So by queuing up from the interface, you end up in a lobby once a match has been found. In that lobby you pick what to play, similar to mobas.

While im not against this idea perse i think it wont work since wow players need that carrot. Ppl in wow don’t play for fun … they play for their weekly cookie.

@Bewarê-frostmane

Account-wide/class-wide rewards on the account enables rewards being used on the “real” characters as well, so there’s the hook to keep people playing it.

So you really think that pure pvp players will play rated pvp if they can only use their rewards outside of rated pvp?

The past has shown already that standardized PVP gear in wow doesn’t work. Hence my idea of gear caps per rating. You still get progress like that… but in a situation that keeps the gear levels relatively close.

@Bewarê-frostmane

But the social toxicity is unavoidable,

We agree on that. The current situation is a lot worse tho, due to all the boosting rated pvp and the extremely toxic environment in nonrated pvp.

Boosting will be a non-issue in soloq and toxic chat will be a lot less prevalent since more ppl will care about winning. As i said 100 times before…we have random BGs in GW2 which are toxic…and soloq isnt. Why do you think that is?