Well I still think Rio is not a great indicator of how good a player is, but how he managed to find a good team with a single character, including paying for it so he can just sit behind or dying all the way to last boss. If it was so great at telling how good a player is, it cannot even tell if people follow mechanics, interrupt spells or such, it has nothing to do with gameplay in my personal opinion.
Still I can’t get why people would ask for a certain overall score, like completing one dungeon in time would matter to complete another different one, see? As long as it concerns one character involved in a specific team (not to mention weekly affixes), it cannot be trusted. Say you got a different, bright now character right now and get some gear, would that mean you are an awful player or at least probably are? I mean, people tend to claim someone with 1600 is better than someone with 500, while it cannot be proved true. It’s not like it was some kind of ratio including both victories and failures with an average pick-up team.
As someone said, it would be less risky to pick the one with the higher score, but cannot be sure. Plus, higher scores means more competition thus the player is more likely to leave if something goes wrong so he would not “waste his time” completing something in one hour instead of 40 minutes. Really not respectful to teamates… I guess more keystones are burnt by people who paid or got carried whatsoever, unlike people who are trying hard to pass these challenges.
Top score is biased as one only need to be carried so he can reach that Rio rating… I would have a different point of view if it was about every dungeon he had been into since last season.
Anyway! Since such a built-in addon was provided by Blizz during MOP (the “ordalie” challenge, sorry I don’t know the English name for it), giving bronze, silver or gold ranking to people, why is still visible in BFA MM+ group search, while it really can’t tell anything interesting about player’s statistics? Blizz’ should do something more fair and accurrate than Rio.
I think the solution to you is, find friends and have fun and dont give a crap about rio. Or do because it is fun to get your scores up with your friends
Edit:
Looking at my own. I am apparently the number ~3500 holy pala of the world and my highest timed dungeon is a +21. I am never the best or at the top. I just like it to have fun and spent time with my friends.
Yeah I would like to, but from the moment we got LFR dungeons and “cross servers”, most “chill out” guilds disbanded or have become empty nutshells… Sometimes I just cannot whisp someone I had fun with because he is from A server while I am from B one.
When I was playing WOTLK, people had to know each other, now they can just get some score, press a button and play with people they do not need to see again as score is all that matters (which suits some people as they can ruin everyone’s fun knowing they probably would not meet again). That is why I said wow evolved to world of rio, while it is not entirely Rio’s fault I reckon.
Oh, MM+ is something we use on my server to refer to mythic keys : mythic mode +1,2,3… Maybe something specific to my country.
Wow is not a world of rio. It is an MMO, and dungeons are supposed to play with a group. It is not solo content. When you pug you actively agree with not going the big social way of guild, friend-groups, blizzard communities or discord communities. I am part of failtrain-discord and today we were missing 1 of our group and we just asked for 1 player to have fun with, and we did his key. We never asked for anything rio. That whole website does not exists in there. And we did ML 15 -> siege 17 -> freehold 16 -> temple 17 (siege 18, but time to eat).
Go the social way. Really. Dont put yourself in the group of thousands and thousands of other anonymouses who are ‘competing’ for that same spot in the dungeon.
Lepanto : Well I do not mind, unless I cannot upgrade my keys with PUG, as someone eventually makes a mistake and leaves…
Psjohly : You are right about that community advice, few people already mentioned it so I will look this way. I still think Rio is just getting everywhere around which is really bothering me, while I queue in thousands of anonymouses because so far I had not much choice. First thing I see when queuing is “Rio check” or “2k rio min”, that’s why I use to rebrand it “world of rio”…
Rio is everywhere because there is nothing else for the pug world. there is no alternative to choose between the big amounts of people signing up.
It is nowhere in communities People know each other and play with each other.
Not trying to be toxic in any way, but how is it possible, that always we have this “delete rio or i quit” threads is someone with like 700rio trying to join +15( example), u never see someone 3k crying he isnt invited to +25… Maybe its becayse those people understand how rio works… Idk, but from your replies, u could realy use it more instead of not using it at all
Psjohly : Hope so! I have not been paying much attention at communities as guilds disbanded or became empty, thought it was just some inter-servers guilds-like that would be empty for the same reasons
Lommatik : I get your point but I never ask Blizz’ to delete Rio (they can’t anyway), just to make their own that would be really telling about the players’ gameplay. They might upgrade the one they developped during MOP…
I do not want to install that addon because it seems so unfair to people who are looking for challenges like +15 keystones while they play many characters. None of mine got every timed dungeon, it is rather “that one managed siege +15, the other temple +14” and so so on, but people trusting this addon think every of my characters are not worth it --"
Edit : At least checking at overall score I mean
It is more like there are 100 of other dps signing up for that +15 who DO have timed 15’s. So you got competition who have done those dungeons already. They are a lesser risk than you. Obviously there are no guarentees, but it is just lowering the risk. Don’t look at a decline too negative.
True but on the past few months I could get some groups while I can’t anymore with the same characters for the same difficulty keys, so I figured out it was going too far. Just the way I feel, not claiming I have got the one and only truth
Just gonna point it out - same thing happened in N’yalotha Raid.
39 Fire Mages + 1 DH tank cleared the raid, it’s on youtube.
M+ created two major problems:
Accesiblity
Rush Rush mentality
Accesibility:
As a new 120 after the break it’s hard to get new gear / upgrades overall once you get the ilvl gear from world quests limit. From there you end up wasting long time applying to the m+ groups sometimes without any success.
Rush Rush mentality:
Putting a timer on a group content further killed the social aspect of the game, as chatting became a waste of time. It incentivised hard to reach the finish line by any means possible.
Some may like it more like this, while I do not.
Other people have a life too, and I don’t want someone implying me and other people that like RIO have no life.
Infact it is because I have a life and want to enjoy myself I seek to filter bad players from my group, courtesy of boosting communities ( one of them has 50k+ members ) and blizzard giving players massively good gear for no effort.
Everyone thinks they’re good, until they die to Yazma spiders on +20, attack the Gripping tentacle on 2nd platform in +17, kite rezan the wrong way and into many piles of raptors in +15, die to tentacles on last boss in shrine in +21 ( looking at you demon hunters ), die to Elder Leaxa’s Sanguine feast in +15 and so on and on and on and on, I seek to filter these type of players.
Boosted / Bad players kill the game for me. Emphasis on " ME " and " ME " don’t want these players in my group, you’re not the only human playing this game.
I usually leave when I feel like I’m boosting people without my knowledge.
This includes someone inviting me to their +15 key yet massively failing the first boss tactics or someone requiring 2k+ rio for their +15 key yet play like a 1k rio player.
Some people being toxic is not an indicator that everyone is, report and move on, you’re better off not in these people’s group anyway.
Weird, I keep getting rejected to some +15-18s on my warrior that has 3k rio and 479-480 ilvl hmmmm, kinda like it’s not RIO’s sole fault.
False and kinda the point of RIO, granted some people do put insane requirements and like I said above, you’re better off not being in their group since these probably want a boost.
I’ve built my RIO in the first 3 seasons of BFA by pugging / duoing with a dps friend, on 2 different characters even, it’s progression… difficult at the start and easier with time, that’s how it is.
True, I totally agree with this and something needs to be done about it! and the solution is? simple look at their timed dungeons, someone with 10 m+15s done in time with exactly the score given by 10 m+15s done in time is often… boosted.
You can check their rio page and see their progression path, if someone went straight to +15s and didn’t have a progression path or many timed dungeons, they’re boosted avoid them like the plague.
Blizzard implemented this, and people got ballistic over… needing to complete silver to join mythic dungeons.
On one hand, yeah it gets annoying having to do it on my 7th alt but on the other some people just weren’t good enough.
Blizzard did say they are working on it.
Also most of the stuff you said afterwards are already there in rio, you can check it on people’s rio page.
No, a complete and hard NO.
I don’t want to boost, I don’t want to take part of boosting and I sincerely don’t want to be forced to boost people, this will lead to soo much trolling or people quitting the M+ scene / becoming much more inclusive than it is already now.
Be prepared for M+15, req 3k rio.
You only feel like its a job because you care for it so much, you with low rio can probably get in a group every 30 mins or so, build up your rio and is it goes higher the queue time will be smaller, that is how it is.
I’m also paying for it too.
Apologies if I seem harsh in my post, but there is two sides of every coin, this is my side, I refuse to boost.
A solution for your problems is simple, make friends, join communities and play with them as this is an MMO ( Massively Multiplayer Online ) RPG, game the base of it is being social, be social
And?
The person I quoted stated that in classic people “EVEN” done such feat.
I simply pointed out the same feat happened in Retail.
The point of that sentence isn’t how easy it is to do - it about pointing out a fact that it did happen in Retail, while poster insinuated it’s not possible.
Hinata : I get your point and I am not suggesting that people with high Rio score have no life. Just saying that it would require me to have no life if I had to get a nice score on every of my alts. I know, I went for it instead of focusing on a main character, but that is the way I get more fun from the game for 10 years.
Well then you said you do not want to boost people but still, you would admit it is not very nice to join if you had to leave “destroying” the key? Perhaps people invite you just to do their best and have fun playing with you instead of taking benefit from your knowledge, I think you are the one caring too much on that point
As for the solution I suggested, well I hope Blizz can make a Rio-like on their own that would be more fair to (supposedly) good / experimented players with multiple characters. I mentioned myself as a good player compared to some I could meet, still unaware of their character’s spellbook or damage dealers with lesser DPS than a holy priest (I swear I saw it). Anyway! Good thing they are working on it as you told me.
You might say I am caring too much but it feels like I cannot enjoy that game anymore without “building a score” and being forced to install addons, so I can have fun with my alts, while my progression is spread on every of my characters. In a sense my issue is I don’t have a main character but I do not like that idea of main one as I like them all.
For a long time I wished I could be social as I was when discovered the game with WOTLK, with active guilds and “non-crossed” realms, maybe these communities are the answer indeed, though it surprises me, but let’s give it a try!
It isn’t, and I don’t do it regularly unless the key holder is superbly obnoxious and toxic.
Example : I joined a +17 TD on explosive week, we get tons of explosives and we wipe.
I look at the damage taken of explosives :-
me = 400k
2nd person = 100k
3rd person = 50k
4th person = 10k
5th person = 0
I tell them to focus on explosives, we pull again we don’t wipe but this time they entirely ignored explosives, I link explosive damage and leave.
I view it as a necessary evil.
Trust me, I’ve been surprised by the community I’m running atm, it changed my worldview on WoW and I’ve been having plenty of fun in it, communities are pretty cool and I daresay without them I’d have probably quit wow.
Alliance side there is scared of dungeons and calm keystones and plenty of others.
Horde side there is calm keystones, Zen horde ( the one im in ) and plenty of others.
They can, its just matter of API, look at chinese (?), they arent on RIO page at all cuz they have different api and rio cant reach it, thus cant show it… It wont be hard to “delete” rio if they wanted.
But thats what rio provides, it doesnt only show a number/score, it also shows how many runs u did in time, u can also check during what weeks it was done etc, there is tons of info.
Also, your" biggest issue" is u play multiple alts, and tbf, i see why u strugle to get in dungeon.
Lets say u have main who is paladin tank, at score 2k, that is enough to get into +15, but woulr i invite your hunter with 850 while your main paladin tank has 2K? No way, u might be much better with your hunt than your paladin, but i dont know that and i wont risk that. Same apllies to DPS, ive had multiple runs where my DD had 3k+ score on his dps main while he was totaly lost with another dps class…
Like others have said, joining guild/comunity and pushing your own keys is probably best thing u can do rn, but keep in mind, that when u make your own group RIO will realy tell you who to pick and might make your run much smoother than just picking by ilvl, not matter how much u dislike it.
People know each other and play with each other.
