I am, if you don’t act stupid.
If i wouldnt heal anyone who took avoidable damage i would never exceeded any dungeon in this game. It is a group game. The pala had reasons for the taunt. Damn, maybe he even made a mistake with fat fingering and you are just letting him die. You’re the best!
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Then he should move taunt to a place where he can’t fat finger it. Either way, not my problem if he taunts when there’s no reason to taunt and then dies. He should keep his mouth shut and accept he killed himself instead of whining about it. Should I start whining at priests because they didn’t grip me if I die standing in volcanic or should I move out of volcanic?
When it is clear you let him die, you let him die. Then it is totally you. Looking at your mentallity, that is also what happened.
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He could’ve not killed himself by not taunting.
RIO is a necessary evil due to the game spiting out gear left and right.
having gear does not mean you actualy know how to play your character/spec/role let alone that u actualy can perform the mechanics of the dung properly.
just because your DH, for example, cleared all 15s in time does not mean your elemental shaman, rogue, warrior, etc… can perform the same on 13s
also, as a tank/healer you get an easier invite most of the times
as a dps even high RIO you will be competing with the other 10+ dps that applied to a key, its not rio, it might not even be you, it might even the leader wants an extra melee dps for interrupts in shrine of storms.
This topic gets raised up if not every week then every month at least. Its mostly has the same excuses: “I can’t get into groups cause of bad rio. But I can’t improve my score due to [insert your reason here]”.
And the answers will be always the same as well. Regardless of each person’s personal attitude to rio (from hate to love), Rio is a needed addon if you want to have at least somewhat a chance for the run to be completed.
Is rio flawless?
Of course not.
Does rio show a player’s true skill?
Very debatable.
But its the “best” tool we got. M+s are very unforgiving. If the tank is clueless or 1 dps doesn’t even know the basics then in lower keys = the 2 other dps maybe will be able to carry. But on high keys = its a deplete before the group even got to 1st boss.
And its not a raid where you can just “replace any bad player” and continue. For m+. You only got 1 chance = so better make sure your team is up for the task.
So rio comes in to help. Will it guarantee a 100% successful run? No. But is it better then just “rolling the dice and hope for the best”? Yes. Even a 2k, I can at least hope that he knows what he is doing, than a complete random unknown who may not even know the difference between left foot and right foot.
So am I “fanatically in love with rio”? Haha, no. But unless somebody offers a better and viable solution to filter out your pug applicants and so far anti-rio people only want it to take it down cause they believe that it will magically get them invited to every pug group they sign up?
I rather take the most flawed addon there is than “just roll the dice and pray for good luck”.
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I started playing this class 3 months ago.
My class and spec is probably overplayed in m+ this season, I’ve been able to push for most of my +15 timed so it’s possible, it’s been stressful but I’ve almost done it. 5 weeks of pushing, from 5’s to 7’s to 10’s to 14’s and now for 15’s.
You want easy time pushing keys make friends, I know I will be looking for people next expansion to run dungeons with, never pugging again.
Most keys I’ve run have been my own.
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Oh, its Yannila, that explains everything. Everyone sucks except me. I don’t play for score, yet I can’t time 15’s cos its da other people.
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Except I’ve timed 15s. I’ve timed a 16 too. But you’re still gonna move the goal posts to whatever and claim I’m bad because I don’t care to put that much effort into getting score on some page. If I could get 475 drops from a +16, I’d run them. If I could get 480 drops from +17, I’d run them.
Going above 15 doesn’t progress your character in any way whatsoever.
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You should be able to time them all, comfortably. Yet all you do is make 3 posts a week on how others suck. And if its about gear, you should be doing a 15 every week, and timing it.
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So, moving the goal posts again. First it’s “You haven’t timed a 15”, then I time a 15 and you shut up for a few days, now I’ve timed a 16 and there you go moving the goal posts again.
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Because as time goes on and people get better gear and corruptions. The goal posts rise.
If I said that I was 3/12M on the first week when mythic Nylotha opened. It would sound a lot more impressive than if I said that I am 3/12M now when every casual John can clear up to 6/12M without breaking a sweet.
Same with m+ . At the start of 8.3. Timing a +15 or even a +16 with our 445 gear was something.
Timing a +15 now when we are running around with our best corruptions and average 475-480 gear…well. Its even embarrassing if you can only time it instead of +2/+3
Except he’s been all “You haven’t even timed a 15, you bad” recently. Then I timed a 15 just to make him shut up and he did shut up for a while. Now he’s back at it again “hurdihurr, you haven’t timed them all”. Moving the goal posts like hell.
https://i.imgur.com/5CJeLOM.png
https://i.imgur.com/dm8vGcT.png
https://i.imgur.com/iJUNvdo.png
https://i.imgur.com/MC9pKB6.png (They didn’t soak anything at all @ galvazzt and we wiped because he was just blasting us to pieces, then tells me to tank it elsewhere lmfao)
Am I in control of other players? No, I’m not. I’d never die to these things. If not for the limited chat availability I’d have their earlier deaths too.
That healer also died to a volcanic on the first boss that he ran right into, got ressed and then he instantly died again. He was also standing right in the open vs the slimes that explode and then whined at me for it. Wtf am I supposed to do about that? Go to his home and control his character and move him behind the pillar?
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I was intentionally vague, by can’t time 15’s I mean ALL. Anyone can luck out and time a couple with a good group. Glad I could clarify that for you, move on to another excuse now I’ve hobbled the “u kEeP mOvInG dA BaR” one.
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No, you’re moving the goal posts.
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Cause people can have vastly different gear and skill. I also had many situations where I am heavily outdpsing or out-performing somebody. I just carry on for the sake of the team. Cause we are in 5 people together. And I also had some 12/12M boys(not all my m+ chars mythic raid so they have the 465 gear(and some lucky chest 475 pieces) who were min/maxed to max and where outdpsing me soo much…almost felt that I should simply /afk and there wont be a difference. Yet they carried on.
How does stooping mid way and trowing a tantrum “I wont do it cause player X does that or player Y doesn’t do that” help the team succeed and time the key?
Yet you just said this:
Then you explain why it’s not a +2/+3. Funny. I’m not in control of those players.
This situation is just like I said about OW a while back.
People I played with said I can’t complain about people being bad because we were close to each other in rating. I ditched them and made my way towards masters, I still run into a lot of players I will call bad players. Even in a game which has a ELO system. What truly is my rating then if I find the master players bad? Where would I end up if I played with people with similar skill as me?
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Cause +15 is too forgiving when it comes to timer and mob HP?
And by different skill set and gear does not mean that a “fire mage is doing 20k overal dps”. it can also be the case where a person who at least knows the basic 1-2-3 rotation and has somewhat okeish gear can squeeze out 75k overal dps which is MORE than enough for a +15 to be timed…
While an experienced veteran player with that class can “squeeze” out 130k overal dps. Also had once 2 firemages in WM run. 1 fire mage was doing 115k, the other 90k. Both had similiar gear. I won’t call the 90k mage a noob. Its a polite number. Yet 115k shows a bit more experience with that class/spec.
When I comparing players. I am not just comparing 15k vs 300k. As in “both extremes”. There are also the “middle” pack
+20s and above are the levels where your “expertise” matters. Where you must know your class more than “Icy veins told me to 1-2-3”.
+15s only require that you know your 1-2-3. if you know more than its a bonus but 75k dps and 150k will both time and even +2 the key…
Most of my runs looks like this on the overall dps:
https://i.imgur.com/gYcNNqV.png
It’s not often I ever get any people who outdps me overall and if they do, it’s not by a huge margin. Even in season 3 before corruptions a lot of people never did more damage than me overall.
Then when I play dps alts, I get tanks who knows nothing about the dungeons it seems. One tank did some stupid pull in the big guys room in waycrest manor together with mobs on bolstering and then went like “wtf? he bolsters? must be a bug”. No, not a bug. That’s how bolstering works.
I’ve had dps whining at me for snapping the obelisk mobs as well. One guy who popped everything he had on it just as I snapped it then he whines at me because he “wasted” his cd. Like, don’t use CDs on it before it’s at the position we’re to kill it at? I’m going to rush to that position and then snap it every single time.
Back in season 3 I had DHs that popped everything they had right as I pulled then whines at me when they pull aggro on everything and die. Like, don’t pop it before I have at least hit the mobs?
Or even better on bursting, do a big pull and then they pop every damned AOE they have and kills weaker mobs so we get 4 bursting and then they just don’t stop dpsing and extend it to 5. Then to 6. Then to 7. “TANK, PULL SMALLER”. DON’T BEAM EVERYTHING MAYBE? DON’T EXTEND THE BURSTING IF YOU DO BEAM?
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