One of these communities has a discord of 50k members… yes 50k members.
You think 50k people say 30k for the sake of argument aren’t going to have an impact on the game?
Whenever I visit MMO-champion I get boosting ads… boosting is that rampant, hell I’m getting boosting ads on my youtube videos!
Yes, someone that gets a +15 just for " loot " will still have their rio show a higher number, and someone that does that regularly enough will get high rio.
You’d think someone wouldn’t go THAT far for advertising boosts yet fact is there are THAT many players participating in the boosting scheme, be it boosters or boostees.
It is disgusting and I honestly hope blizzard provides a pristine server devoid of these type of players.
never complain about “not being invited to groups” - make your own group (at this point this should become some kind of hashtag like #MYOG), join guild, community, play with friends
don’t just check score, check how many 15+, 20+ dungeons someone did, some 3k’ish rio people have each dungeon done ONCE at +20 and they’re super toxic (chance of toxic one quadruples on meta classes like BM hunter, outlaw rogue, fire mage, havoc dh, prot warrior…)
I went for creating groups for a long time but people quitting for nothing gets on my nerves. As said before, I should indeed head up to communities hoping that solves my issue. About score checking, it would be great indeed but just have a look to group search : people ask for a score and nothing else. So yeah, would be great if people paid more attention to detailed statistics but my guess is they globallly don’t, that’s why I would be glad if devs came up with a nice in-game system, with a super AI able to take a lots of statistics into account, ideally about the player instead of the teams he had been in. I would actually expect them to do such a thing, as Rio’s popularity points out that devs missed out something in players’ demands.
People should also be more empathic towards others, yet they aren’t. Look here at forums, 99% of people here have higher focus on wording instead of the message one tries to deliver They don’t learn, they don’t improve. #anonymity
My point is, rio is fine - people are bad.
That’s why I pug without expectations and with my friend/s. I’m never disappointed
Saw that as some people here answered about my demand to have Rio banned, while I never asked for it. I just wish there was something else than Rio because that addon is turning into the game itself, while score building has its flaws. Many people here assume Rio is better than any other solution, well that is not the way I see it but I respect your views.
Still, it feels weird to open a group search windows and see “rio” everywhere, feels like it is some meta-game different from wow with its own requirements (which I don’t think I could meet in my case), named world of Rio. For that reason only I would prefer to have some blizz-made component, which I expect to be less flawed in my personal views than the original Raider IO.
I hope I would be able to make friends in communities as I used to make friends from guilds while they became empty nutshells a long time ago with server crossing and dungeon finder, excepted for top players looking for hardcore content
That’s not 100% true. I got boosting ads while googling recently. Yeah they’re personalized, but I think it’s enough if you search wow related stuff on a regular basis.
I search for that almost every day. I’ve yet to see a boosting ad. Like right now on mmo-champion, it’s a blade & soul ad. Another ad is about WoW classic. Yet another is some HBO nordic ad. Another is a clothes company I buy my clothes from. Never any boosting ads.
Since we are talking about Pug world i would say you forgot for anything past +10 and timed rank 3 essences and at least lvl 15 cloak.Oh and i would also lock it at least to - 5 ilvl the chest at end drops,so 455ilvl for +10.
Let’s say you make a group for KR+20. You need tank, 2 dps and healer. You wait few minutes. Now you have 30+ ppl in queue. Without rio you have to ask EACH OF THEM multiple questions to know whether they know what to do and even so people will lie. So instead making group within 10 minutes you will do it in over 1h, while waiting people already invited will leave. If you speed it up and just RNG invite players you will end up with people not knowing some important stuff leading to deaths followed by common “/p wtf”.
Rio isn’t perfect, but no system is. We create such system to minimize flaws, not to remove them completely. And people here don’t understand that, that’s why every idea which isn’t perfect is completely negated by crowd with pitchforks and torches
Getting lower ilvls requires you to trust complete strangers. Sorry, but no. Trust is earned, not given for free.
there are way more than 3 times ratio of DPS: tanks & healers.
I ran +15 boralus off my own key yesterday and i was getting like 30 dps applications off the bat, in the first minute or so.
It’s hard to get into M+ groups if you play DPS. I’m 480 ilvl and i still get problems joining a weekly 15. That’s because there are so many DPS applying.
Do them in guild groups or just uprank your key. If you time a +15 off your own key you will get another +15 key from weekly chest. This way you can keep doing 15s off your key and not get frustrated by not getting invited.
No it works from the key you completed. Not what is in your bags.
Elahri is correct. If you do a +15 you will receive a +14 in your weekly chest. In order to get a +15 key in your weekly you need to complete a +16, can be timed or over.
Weekly Chest
At the beginning of the new reset week, on Tuesday (US) or Wednesday (EU), players who have completed a Mythic Keystone dungeon the week before will have access to a chest containing some loot. The chest can be found within the Harbormaster’s Office in Boralus for Alliance characters, or the Great Seal in Dazar’alor for Horde characters.
The chest will contain the following loot:
A random piece of loot - This piece of loot can come from any dungeon (with the exception of Azerite gear), but the ilvl will be depending on the highest Mythic Keystone dungeon cleared the week before;
With the exception of Trinkets, this piece of loot is guaranteed to be Corrupted. Check our Corruption System Guide for more information on the system.
Artifact Power;
A large quantity of Titan Residuum, used to buy dungeon Azerite gear - The quantity is dependant on the highest Mythic Keystone dungeon cleared the week before;
Echoes of Ny’alotha
A random Mythic Keystone for a dungeon 1 or 2 levels below your highest Mythic Keystone dungeon cleared the week before.
I mean they are working on it. They have said that they wanna implement an in game version of rio in SL, i think, anywaysm point is it’s something blizzard wants to implement, but it’s not that simple.
I totally get where you are coming from with this. As i said i understand that you want something where you’re not reliant on your team to succeed and can show your skill off, however in every iteration of training grounds we have had, it didn’t really show that you had awareness or were even remotely skilled at the game.
It showed that you could grind out a completely scripted fight and eventually get it (worst case of course, many people, myself included, just did it within a few tries).
If we’re talking extremes i would rather have someone that was carried through a dungeon, but have bronze training grounds, than someone that hasn’t set foot in the dungeon.
Idk, you might have a vision of training grounds, which makes it hard to relate, cause i only have the training grounds we have had, and those mean absolutely nothing, cause they have such a low skill ceiling, that 90% have gold anyways, so it would make no difference anyways.
As i said i do think there might be something here, we solo scenarios, but i also concluded that i think it’s gonna be hard to strike a sweetspot between it being so easy that it means nothing and being so hard or grindy that it’s a pain.
What if everyone else died 27 times? then it’s probably not his fault right.
You could make it deaths relative to others in the run, but you would also wanna see total deaths, or you could even say that it should just show you everything, but there isn’t really room for everything, it needs to be neatly organized.
Again it’s not good to only think in extremes.
I have had smooth dungeons where i kicked less than 10 times, because we had a 4 melee kick comp, there basically wasn’t anything left for me, but your idea of tracking it makes me wanna play inefficient.
I probably didn’t get this across well in my last reply so i will try and reiterate it.
If you have any lack, like you don’t kick or you die a lot, then you’re gonna hit your ceiling early in keys. You can probably push 2k without using a single kick, but you probably won’t reach 3k. Your score isn’t some magic number that tells how good you are at everything, but across 30-40 runs probably, if you keep being unable to time 16s, across 10 different groups where you are the only common factor, then there is probably a reason for that, and that is likely your lack of something.
The point is, yes for 1 run or very few runs, it’s more based on your team than you, but across 50 runs with you as the common factor, rio tends to be more accurate.
That is why we have the addon, so we don’t have to look up on pages, like back in the old days.
Also side note here at the end, you can log your runs, that’s something i do, and you can check all of the information for yourself, and even link the logs to people so they can see you can perform.
It’s easy to sit and say “i know i can perform better than my score says” but at the same time you keep talking about higher scored people performing worse. What you forget is that the leader of groups you queue for can’t just see that you’re that special 1 player who performs better than he should for his score, but if you log you can show.
Do know that there’s absolutely no guarantee that they will actually check out the log or logs if you link it to them, i have never had anyone do it, but it’s worth a try i guess.
Rio is the best thing that happened to pug world. And it does not affect people who arent pugging.
If you are pugging, than get working on that score. Even if this season is over, it will show your current score NEXT season, making your start in Shadowlands much smoother.
Its amazing what a decent score can do for your pugging. You get in the good raid groups, lead by competent people, really good players join your key as they arent afraid of you, you can easy join +15s of choice to farm gear…
Dont blame the system, its here for a reason, start using it and enjoy the benefits of your score.
What is a decent score is subjective, relative to the content you aim to do, a 2k score with 50+ timed +15s this season and a couple of mythic kills will open most doors, tho you will still be declined from some groups, but at least at that point you will know and understand why.
Its very much like a caste system with very little mixing. Sometimes a 4k+ will come down to boost a friend for weekly or something, take that opportunity to observe the skill and output od such a player. No wonder they dont want to play with plebs like us. I do my +15 in groups who do same DPS as the mage in that timed FH+29. Same DPS as in all 5 players combined. How does that happen? Skill.
But unlike the caste system which prevents moving up, you are free to climb the Rio ladder until your skill allows it. There is nothing in your way.
Again (!) I never asked the adddon to be banned nor did I claimed that toon was my main or that I did have a main one. Getting tired of people who can’t read…
They don’t learn, they don’t improve. 
Titan Residuum