Are you finished with the safemode changes?
Or do we need the game name changed as well?
Blizzard - in blue text ofc
Goofy jokes and occasional mature innuendos are part of WoW, and probably always will be. Still, we want to remain mindful of whether certain elements of that world are welcoming to all players. In short, we want our jokes to be inclusive and not punch down.
Anyone care to share a joke that is inclusive?
Jesus I can see what they meant by frat culture. Just how many sexual euphemisms do you need until youâre satisfied?
Jesus I can see what they meant by cancel culture. Just how many sexual euphemisms do you need removed until you feel safe?
Edit: sry had to include the 1st part too!
Jokes in a game dont hurt, what hurts its the actions they didâŚ
Jokes are NOT meant to be inclusive⌠but how do you account for a player with a total sense of humour bypass (for whatever reason)�
Idk⌠ask Blizzard, iâm asking it too!
Hey Iâm not the one losing hair over them removing muh funneh jokes.
And no I never cared about them enough to be removed, but seeing them compiled is just like seeing the amount of references Afrasiabi made for himself. Itâs kinda sad honestly.
It does have to be said that some measures in WoW are a bit extreme, but to be honest Iâve never seen some of the issues that are being altered & I donât care what they âstarted life asâ in the first place.
Whatever happened to people having common sense enough to just remove themselves from situations that they CAN remove themselves from, to avoid feeling uncomfortableâŚ? Yes; the caveat there is that not ALL situations allow for a person being allowed to remove themself, but that isnât the point Iâve raised; the 'piece of art that has been changed - who the heck went LOOKING for stuff like that, to MAKE it an issue? THAT tells me there was an agenda that had NOTHING to do with the game⌠and rather than stepping away from the game due to outside factors being not to that personâs liking, they went looking for additional instances of said âbehaviourâ with the intention of âbeing offendedâ. However, if it was found by a person who was connected to Blizzard in some way, making it more public than it (necessarily) needed to be was (to me) 'looking to cause trouble, where none needed to be made.
A simpler measure to a lot of the current goings-on would have been to recertify WoW with a PEGI 18 rating⌠it instantly tells people that the game is (retrospectively?) meant for a much more mature minded player than originally intended, at release.
EDIT:
To me; the general level of violence says that WoW should have been a PEGI 18 in the first place, anyway
Even Diablo is only PEGI 16. PEGI 18 is a rating for explicit games or something else that justifies it like real money gambling.
Anyway even PEGI 16 would mean sizing down the target demographic, which would be quite the blow to the game. From Blizzardâs perspective itâs much better just change stuff to meet new standards.
Nobody is losing hair or gaining it over pathetic changes like these.
Itâs not solving anything, only making the game blander.
You and others agreeing to these changes when nobody that actually plays the game found them offensive just shows how much youâre willing to bend for Blizz and thatâs unfortunate to say the least.
Letâs go over:
https://www.esrb.org/ratings/29635/World+of+Warcraft/
This is a massively multiplayer online (MMO) role-playing game set in the imaginary world of Azeroth. Players complete quests in order to âlevel upâ their characters, while gaining powers and better weapons/armor/accessories along the way. Quest objectives sometimes involve using magic and hand-to-hand combat to defeat various creatures, enemy soldiers, and occasionally other characters such as innocent villagers. Some attacks can result in splashes of red blood or small bursts of flesh and bone falling to the ground. Certain quests require the player to drink alcohol, resulting in the characterâs impaired vision (blurry screen, pink elephants) and movement. Players can interact with scantily clad characters, listen to provocative dialogue (e.g., âIs that a mana wyrm in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?â), or view sexually suggestive dance routines performed by elves and other player-characters. One quest requires players to search for specific creatures among a landscape covered with piles of brown feces. The words âas," âbastard,â and "btchâ can be heard in the dialogue.
Kind of going away from that description?
Is the slope slippery enough? Or do we need more?
@Chronormi Iâll ask you directly. At what point is it going too far with removing things? For you personally, what is that exact point? Give an example of what you would not want to be changed/removed.
Thereâs enough there to say that many playing the game now should never have started playing⌠and they only have themselves to hold accountable FOR playing and becoming âoffendedâ.
Never said I agreed with the changes or found the jokes offensive. Just saying youâre making a mountain out of a molehill. And that I think it shows what they meant by frat culture when the person who wrote those comes across as a 20 year old who was thinking âhaha blowing Hodirâs hornâ that entire time.
When they start changing stuff that youâll actually notice yourself and not because someone ran a script that compared the changes between game builds and listed them for you.
Edit: and even then, it has to be a negative change. Renaming afrasiabiâs NPCs is within reason.
Then youâre complaining about people complaining about Blizzard changing useless things⌠youâve reduced yourself to that.
Itâs a game, everything complained about in this forum is making a mountain out of a molehill. Nothing matters here.
The game IS rated T, which stands for Teen, not Toddler.
If that mild sexual innuendo needs changed, then the puritanism is real.
Also if youâre old enough to recognize these as such:
Blowing Hodirâs Horn is now Hodirâs Call.
Mounting Hodirâs Helm is now Placing Hodirâs Helm.
Raising Hodirâs Spear is now Forging Hodirâs Spear.
Thrusting Hodirâs Spear is now How to Slay Your Dragon.
Polishing the Helm is now A Viscious Cleaning.
Jormuttar is Soo Fat⌠is now Culling Jorcuttar.
Then youâre old enough to not be embarrassed or offended by them, if you do, itâs your (generally speaking) personal problem.
Examples⌠give one, two⌠whatever, just say something specific.
They shouldnât have made references to Blizz employees from the get go, those are fine to be removed completely.
Donât you mean a 12-yoâŚ? That whole series of dailies stopped being funny after a few days; if your implications is that there is NO place for innuendo in a video game, whatsoever, then I would draw the line at agreeing to disagree with you and end any conversation about it INSTANTLY.
No; not everyone has the stomach for innuendo - some have very personal reasons not to, & thatâs understandable - but a world with zero humour can get âvery oldâ, very fast. Humour is so subjective, that many times itâs impossible to quantify itsâ scope.
Again, I donât have a problem with them per se. I addressed it as a symptom of the frat culture mentioned as problematic in their offices.
IDK, probably something like ruining a characterâs lore (which they already do plenty as is).
Again, I have no problem with it. I just roll my eyes and continue. But like I said if someone felt like thay had to make a hub of innuendos then thatâs a symptom of a bigger problem.
I was generally speaking there as well.
So like making Sylvanasâs soul-merger re-originating her as a good person that went temporarily evil due to the split?
See you next patch.
The most offensive thing about this whole crusade is how lazily itâs done.
They legit pick and choose just the easiest things, if this was actually a genuine change then they should be doing massive sweeps, the house of pleasure should still be bad by blizzards standards even with male NPCs so why arenât they changing it to something family friendly?
In the UK, WoW has a PEGI 12+ rating⌠IIRC
I must admit, Iâve not done any Sons of Hodir rep. in about 5-7 years⌠but those were changed, whyâŚ?
Yup; taking offense at something IS a choice, esp. if you make that instance of âbeing offendedâ public. Playing through that series the Quests do involve the innocent symbolisms of the wording, that a historic people would do to pay tribute to their ancestors⌠fixation on the inappropriate meanings DOES say more about the person finding them inappropriate than the words themselves.
If a 12yo sees them, he most likely wonât make the connection as well.
If he does⌠well, then he already knows about âthingsâ and it doesnât matter.
Anyone fixated on solely the innuendo does imply a âBeavis & Buttheadâ kind of outlook on lifeâŚ