Ohh, so now you want to fight and don’t even try to hide behind lies of when you play. Looks like I struck more than one nerve, haha
It’s funny to see you angry and helpless at the same time. Unfortunately for you - I no longer play WoW and I won’t be re-subbing for you - you know you’re not important, right?
You should have done it when you had a chance, instead of lying and hiding.
So, your lies are not helping you, desperation kicking hard, helpless in anger, but hey - you finally found your balls, took you long time, you’re too late, and with this - you are rejected. Again.
I knew from the start that you will refuse the duel and that you will find a pathetic excuse. But, honestly, i must give you some credit: the “i dont play WoW” was the only excuse i though you wont bring. That was quite a unexpected suprise. Nice one. You got me this time.
I know. I hope you enjoy it and feel happy. I like to make little kids feel good. After our chat, please dont “touch yourself”. Ok?
For a past few months I’ve been playing only because of WPvP and because I like how Arcane Mage plays (with mechanics like Displacements, Chrono Shift, Invis/Mass, Arcane Orb and ofc Arcane Missiles). I like visuals, especially Kul Tiras ones (they are very close to me thematically), music is fantastic, I even like the story and how it makes so many players talk about it and clash with each other. But everything else, game-play… let’s just say that all that “slot machine + do your chores simulator” is finally got to me.
I probably should have stopped playing months ago, because my disdain for WoW in general grew so much that I’m no longer excited for 8.2, or even Classic.
So, if you are trying to imply something about me and WPvP - you failed again.
Trying to pretend and play dumb again? Dude, you are dumb, you don’t need to.
Search your own posts - first you say when you play to find you, then about a month later you reveal actual time when you play. Basically like always - f’d up by exposing yourself by yourself.
I sure will, but it’s not something that could make me happy.
Projecting your BS on me again? When will you understand - I don’t do those stupid thing you do. Looks like “Big ego = small pickle” struck on point, you still keep thinking about dirty things, haha
I know you love being rejected. I see you enjoying more and more, haha
Edit:
Wait, WHAT?
Are you a freaking pedo? That is completely f’d up.
I decided that my time and energy should not be wasted with garbages like some people. Therefor i deleted all my replies to thoose garbages and i will completly ignore them from now on. It doesnt worth to answer them.
I will focus to reply only to reasonable people that have some constructive and normal to say, not to people that have only something “destructive” to say.
Just say the truth - you f’d up too much and there is no way out, so now you are desperately trying to hide it.
And again - you are hopeless - you started something/BS yourself, you can’t own it - and the only thing you can do, as always - mindless insults and name-calling in anger. Can you at least be creative about it?
Plus, after your last confession - all the garbage is within, and you can’t call anyone that but yourself.
We were having a good discussion. Censoring your posts was bad for debate. Now we have one sided discussions in this thread.
EVERY opinion should be challenged, yours, mine, others. It’s about getting to the truth of the matter, not reinforcing our own opinions. That is done through debate. I have strong opinions myself, they should be challenged.
Fact: we don’t have hard facts to 100% prove or deny either of our opinions on WM.
Solution: debate, test our opinions against different opinions.
It’s a slippery slope to only discuss with those that agree. What if we are wrong on something, but because others agree, our wrong opinions are reinforced. Debate is necessary to reach or confirm truth, or get as close as possible when no facts available.
In a debate, insults are a double edged sword! They are used as a weapon, an attempt to destroy the insulted’s rep and thereby diminish their argument. But can also end up destroying the insulters rep, diminishing their argument, even if their points have merit.
Insults are best avoided, it’s better to use their own statements to challenge their argument. However, when people take a conflicting opinion as an insult… shakes head.
We didnt haved a good discussion.
I will try to explain to you as nice and detailed possible, how i see the situation and why i cant continue this discussion with persons like you or CoolioSlave.
I come from a country where in-equality is a daily standard. Where people die and suffer because others have more power and money. My case is a lucky one, i come from a “medium class” family, with decent income and we live a good life. But there are people that are not so lucky as me : poor people, orphaned kids, beggars, etc.
I am also a person that puts a lot of “passion” into his beliefs and points of view. I agree that maby some of my beliefs or opinions might be wrong in other topics, but there is one belief that nobody can deny it to me: in-equality. When someone tries to explain me that in-equality is something normal or necesary, i try to convince that person that he is wrong. If that person insists to think the same, sometimes i tell my opinion about that person (see above reply to Coolio) or i give up the conversation.
In this topic there was a question that had only one answer. The question was: Do you agree that one faction to be rewarded “extra” just for the reason that they are “outnumbered” (thing that wasnt prooved yet, with a official Blizz statement, with real numbers) ?
And the only possible answer was: I disagree.
There is no other option: i agree, maby, lets see, what-ever.,etc. Only that answer written above.
I tried to bring real life examples of how i see this in-equality between factions in WoW, thinking that you and others that think the same might change your mind and realise how wrong it is. I will try again to give you another example, this one related to the game:
Blizzard is our “papa”. The horde and the alliance are their kids. So papa decides to give their kids some candies. But one kid gets one candy and the other one gets two. It doesnt matter the size of the other candy (you will say maby : “ohhh but is only 15% bonus now”) , it matters the principle.
I understand that you (and others) try to argument that the alliance is outnumbered. But nobody knows exactly how much is or if it really is. I explained you many times that majority of “WoW statistics” sites (progress,raiderIO,realmpop,etc) show that per total,in the EU region, the factions are ballanced as a total number. Of course you and others rejected theese sites, saying that they : “bla bla bla stupid arguments”. Thoose are the only sources of estimation we have, since Blizz (after Draenor fail) decided to not reveal anymore statistics. So how can you reject them, knowing that thoose sites are “trusted” by Blizzard (you can link and share your acc data with thoose sites). Thatswhy for example i cant link my Blizzard acc with pornhub, and only with WoW trusted related sites.
What pissed me off the most was not the fact that the alliance received more bonus/rewards, it was how they received:
I log-in into the game, i go Zuldazar port to complete my missions and suddently,from nowhere two raids of ally players appeared and massacred everything in theyr path. I was confused, didnt realisated at that initial moment wtf just happend, how and why. I go back, trying to complete my missions…there, the two raids where waiting and killing NPC’s and players.
I go forum and i see horde players complain about AOO and then i hear for the first time of AOO, a quest that i never received since i play in BFA (dec 2018 untill today). I go wowhead to see exactly what is it about…
The ideea of this story is that Blizz didnt warned horde players about it and didnt released a official statement regarding the reason, backed-up with real numbers and proofs. We found out from sources like : forum, in-game chat, yotube video and sime twitch interviews gaved by Ion.
This was a major change in the game that disrupted the gameplay for 50+% of total number of horde player from the entire EU region. Many of them, during that “famous AOO” (in march) , where forced to disable WM (some of them got so upset,that they didnt enabled since then), many of them couldnt complete or wasted a lot of time to do world quests and so on.
That was a unfair and not equal policy done by Blizz. This “culling” ideology, where you harm a faction to encourage the other to thrive is not healthy,normal and is not ethical.
This is a two faction game. And you as developer, cant favor one and “un-favor” the other. And also you cant do things and major changes, without giving a proof and a reason, without warning.
Its normal for me, as a paying customer, to have a proof when i am “unfavored” . Its normal and i am entitled to ask that proof. Thatswhy i pay.
Take this example: you go to a shop and buy a bread. You pay 1$ for the bread and another random customer pays 50 cents for the same product. You will ask why i pay double tham him? Right? Same example applies in our situation: i pay to enjoy the full content of the game, but my faction is deprived of some rewarding quests or bonuses. Do you think is right?
Thatswhy when we talk about this topic: equality, i reject any argument that denies common sense or normality.
The only situation i would accept that the alliance to receive more rewards, would be when Blizzard will reveal the real numbers and statistics, and there the alliance will be outnumbered as population number, not as WM enablers. But untill then, i cant accept something without a proof. Its a normal request.
If you Vaeyn, cant understand what i wrote above and why i am so oposed to this “favoring” and in-equality, then you are one of theese 3 types of players:
You are too retard to realise the basic principle of equality, because your intelligence cant comprehend what is equality.
You are a as#hole player that enjoys to get advantages on the back of others.
You are a person that likes to contradict with others even if the person you contradict has right, but you continue to persist, just to tease or piss him off. (In this cathegory i would include Coolio).
You choose if you want to be one of theese 3 cathegories or you want to proove that you are a reasonable person and you understand common sense and normality.
Look…even Moothilda, a player that almost everytime when i haved contradictions with you in the past, he supported your arguments and agreed with you, but he agreed that this “favoring” is unfair. And his answer value to me more than other 10 players that would agree with me, not because he agreed, but because he realised that this is not a ethical action and being your supporter in the same time. Even he, couldnt contradict common sense and normality, just to back you up. Thatswhy i apreciated his answer.
Think and contemplate. See this “in-equality” from both sides and you will realise that i am right.
I hope that with this comment we will end our contradiction regarding the “favoring” received by the alliance and that you will agree that it was unfair.
P.S. : Vaeyn if you want to contradict the principle of equality or find excuses or stupid arguments (like “why would Blizzard lie” , “its must be done because horde are to many” …or what-ever crap you invent) without any real and check-able proof, dont bother to reply anymore. I will ignore you or mock you as i do from now on with that CoolioSlave…
A mechanism of some sort is required to help with region balance, but rather than one side getting reward - give each side rewards tailored to the situation. Outnumbered, and outnumberer. Encouraging EXTRA of the outnumbered to WPvP for longer, and encouraging the EXISTING outnumberers to WPvP.
Change AOO to a quest that requires a week’s worth of WPvP effort - keep the extra Alliance in WM for WPvP through the week. Encourage WM on, but not just temporarily.
Give Horde compensation - except word it as, they are superior in numbers, therefore get something signifying strength - call it “Overwhelming Odds”. For example, that could be a buff that gives 3% extra stat during WPvP only. Something good and actually useful in WPvP, but not enough to make extra Horde turn WM on, just compensate the existing ones that WPvP.
Keep bonus, it’s for PvEers that took a risk on WM. A decrease in Horde PvEers via extra Alliance PvP, and an increase in Alliance PvEers via extra bonus, probably almost balances them out.
A. Increases and keeps Alliance in WM.
B. Compensates Horde for Alliance getting AOO, without increasing their numbers.
C. PvEers can balance out via existing bonus.
Reward both factions, but in different equally valuable ways, that still achieve the goal of WM region faction balance.
So it seems that finally you understood my ideea regarding this “in-equality” topic. Although you didnt agreed with what i said above, you also didnt disagreed. And that is a improovment. Usually, silence (the fact that you didnt disagreed) means that you agree, but you dont want to openly admitt it. Its ok. I understand this. I am glad that finally, after so many month, i managed to make you understand and feel our (horde players) point of view.
And trust me, if horde woulded be instead of alliance (extra bonus,AOO,etc) i would be the first to criticize this, even if they would boost my faction.
Regarding a compromise solution and how to make wpvp a “very active” and “entertaining” enviroment, i think the problem is at the core of the game, how it is now, in actual status.
What i mean?
WoW is divided in different types of contents: raids&dungeons&mythics+ (aka PVE content) , collectors (toys,pets,mounts,etc), PVP and “casuals” (players that play random contents simultaneously,without having superior skills in none of them) . In past expansions, Blizz did a very good job to differentiate theese types of contents by rewarding each one of them with the corespondent rewards: you do raids= you get better raid gear to progress on next difficulty or boss ; you do PVP= with each progress stage (honor level or ranks) reached you received better PVP gear that allowed your char to become stronger and defeat other players more easy; you do pet battles= you where rewarded with pet stones and uppgrades; … and so on.
This allowed players to focus on that type of content they like and become more and more better (geared and skilled) and gaved them a feeling of acomplishment.
Now, this feeling is gone. Ex: i create a new char now, i do a couple of invasions and after i cap my weekly conquest i receive a free 400 ilvl piece of gear (and i have even the option to choose, to fit my req stats). And the same applies to all other types of contents. The only “not-altered” content is the mythic raiding (i am amazed btw). Nowadays you gear yourself with 400 ilvl in 2 weeks (thats equivalent with a HC full set). In the past, only 15-20% of playerbase had HC gear or above.
And now after explaining the above ideea, we go back to wpvp: the biggest mistake that Blizz did in this expansion, especially that this expansion is focused on wpvp/wm “storyline” (the old war between alliance and horde), was to NOT add exclusive PVP gear (like in old expansions).
And thatswhy WPVP is broken: players dont join because the rewards suck. For what? 200 honor, 50 conquest and a 360 ilvl piece of gear for a Call to Arms quest? For 55 conquest and a 370 ilvl piece of gear for a completed invasion? …when they get more ilvl gear by farming normal world quests.
And thatswhy only during AOO quest (when the gear reward was higher), we saw a increased number of alliance enabling WM and after that a decrease.
And belive it or not, i really understand alliance players. The rewards sucks. The only reason i keep WM on, as i said before, is for thoose 10% encounters where i fight 1v1 with a random guy. I dont care for that 10% bonus. I finished my neck 3 months ago. I dont do wq anymore, except the 4 daily for the rep farm.
Because Blizzard didnt added exclusive PVP gear, they dont have what to offer, except sh#t. And this is the real problem. Players have no motivation to waste time by dying and being corpse camped for 20 more azerite power at a world quest.
The only solution to change something and improove WPVP is to add PVP gear. Gear is the only reward that can motivate a player to join.
So what Blizz must do?
Rething the entire situation and at the next patch (maby 8.3) to add PVP gear. Otherwhise this drama and lack of players will persist forever.
Adding buffs and extra % bonuses wont change nothing. Adding new types of invasions…hmm…maby for a short while, untill players will get bored.
We play this game to improove ourselfs, we play for character progress. Thatswhy the Classic “re-release” is so hyped. In classic, you work on your char. You work months untill you get a sh#t ground mount. You work months untill you get one purple gear. You work for everything. In classic, a player with full normal HC gear was a GOD. Now he is considered a noob. Thats the problem: they deleted the “feeling of acomplishment” .
Nowadays, you just need to log-in and do almost nothing. Just log-in.
I never said inequality was a good thing. But I knew that in order for more Alliance to WM, an incentive system was necessary. No other suggestion I’ve seen would achieve same goal imo - region balance in WM.
Whether we believe Blizz or not on numbers, they are doing the rebalancing. My suggestion allows for that, but also compensates the Hordies!
I only WM, so rest of game don’t matter to me. WM was a big upgrade on Legion WPvP… for me. That’s why I like it so much!
We gotta remember… this is only WM 1.0. Hopefully in WoW 9.0, WM will get improved for those that don’t like it as much… WM 2.0 !!
So, you f’d up so much that you delete stuff and now you even try to edit and lie in my quotes - that is very desperately hopeless. You still go with quantity of BS instead of quality of arguments or insults, and you still keep asking for it - ok.
That rant about same old pretending about some morals, and not being an a**hole (when you are), and even some kind of communist rhetoric about everybody equal and then you even want good PvP gear without doing rated… meh
I like how much angry you are, let’s proceed, shall we!
nah, another empty threat. You can’t - too dumb and lacking creativity. Deal with it, haha
So your behavior, that led you to this point, is:
You are constantly lying to make yourself look better than it is.
You are constantly lying to make others looks bad or discredit them.
You are constantly lying just because of stupidity in the moment.
You keep pretending about anything moral or ethical, while always having an excuse not to follow it yourself. Basically - fake.
You keep insisting on morals and ethics while with your actions and words doing exactly the opposite. Basically - hypocrite.
You use stuff like forums alts to talk to yourself and give yourself at least some support.
You constantly behave like a stupid a**hole to anyone with a different opinion, and if they have a valid argument - you go apes#!t.
You always in complete denial about anything that doesn’t fit your narrative or how you want it, yet you constantly accusing others that they don’t bring relevant arguments. Very stupid.
You always derail into anything non-relevant because you lack actual arguments, yet you constantly accusing others that they don’t bring relevant arguments. Even more stupid.
You constantly obsessing about stuff that would be much more healthy for you to let go.
When you get similar to your behavior in return - you start playing victim. Pathetic.
You even try to copy what and how I say to mock you. Unfortunately copying without understanding how it works is a path to failure.
And that confession about little kids, that’s just
Yeah, “lies on the internets!”, haha, etc, but the most stupid about all of that is that - you constantly proving it with your own f’Ups. No need to do anything, just wait and you going to do it yourself.
I know, you like to have a convenient memory losses - but if you doubt any above - look through your posts - it’ll be quite a reminder.
Ohh wait, you are now helplessly trying to clear optics and remove what you think looks bad - yeah, it looks even worse, haha. Can’t stop failing, can you?
From what is visible now:
You clearly not happy that you kept pushing mentioning me. You’ve tried to say some BS at my expense - now you can feel how it backfired flawlessly. I was understanding with you, ignored, giving you time to cool off and walk away. Should have done it.
You even angry to the point of finally finding your balls to duel me, you’ve had plenty of time, but you’ve decided to lie and hide, and now can only make weak excuses pretending again, because no one in their right mind would go look through your pile of BS posts. And even if they do - you’ll just remove it, like you did above.
Yes, dude, I mocked you that last part of your way to this point, yep. But if you want someone to be angry at - look in the mirror - you’ve been asking for it.
Again, you keep telling “ignore”, but still too weak to do it.
All you can do - is mindless insults in anger and rants about unrelated BS - you are no good for anything else, because you don’t even know what quality is.
So what it’s gonna be - will you go with mindless insults, try to edit my quotes, or use your forum alts, or maybe delete more or you f’ups, or create new, or pretend about something again, or try to talk to imaginary audience in desperate search for help, or - maybe, you going to stop being dumb angry kiddo, and - overcome your obsession and addiction, and - stop asking for it - choice is yours, haha
Mate, dont accuse me of something i didnt do. You wrote that and now you edited it. At least, i really apreciated your slight moment of truth, when you realised what you are and that you asked for help. But now, you start again…
/ignore.
Do you ever shut up posting crap. Maybe you should do more pvp instead on making WM posts and threads youve got 3.5k hks youre irrelevant ive never even seen you in WM once
Or he does solo WM, not a bad number of hk for that. With sharding, we are unlikely to see majority enemy players more than once. It can happen, but not expected.
I wish my profile said zero raid progression and no rated. It almost does, but I want zero! Then I can say WM is all I did, apart from randoms for cp, to help me in WM. But, an arena pro would look at my profile and say… you have no rating, your WM opinion is invalid. Which is… illogical.
Its a pitty that you cant hide thoose 2780 completed battlegrounds, to really say that WM did it.
And yes, i play 95% only solo WM. Due to my “personal policy” regarding parties and the unfairness related to parties, i join wpvp parties very rarely (usually when i need to kill elites over 1 mil hp during invasions).
Editing and lying, plus talking about yourself, in my quotes, plus saying “/ignore” - is the opposite of actually ignoring, haha. So we have still a lot to do, with your stupidity
Hmmm, you’re getting more and more afraid to post anything - that’s right, you don’t need more fails, lol. Ohh wait, even with so little words you still managed to fail - that “.” at the end of emote/action - haha, wanna be serious, unfortunately dot can’t help you to actually do it.
You’re still trying instead of doing. Hopelessly pathetic, and the whole thing is immature.
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