That makes sense, although I still can’t explain why I saw a GM in Legion randomly get taken out of invisibility & stunned by a guard in the Rogue class order hall, I thought they would be immune/in god mode or something. Maybe it was a developer/QA staff like you mentioned? hmmm.
So now you’re fixing this, after tens of thousands of people used this. Note, I am not writing “abuse” because…
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there was no way for them to know. No one knew for sure how xp calculations worked during Vanilla any more
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Running dungeons in a raid is not forbidden in any case, as it was often done for quick loot-grinds in Vanilla as well.
So now we have everyone who used this being ahead of everyone who didn’t. And the only way to compensate the people who are now behind, is gone.
Thanks for applying this fix, because imo it was seriously messing with the spirit of leveling in classic. But it was late, too late, and should have been detected WAY earlier in the evaluation process.
Maybe next time you do something like Classic, do an ACTUAL beta, and not just a promo for the streamers and other “big names”, many of whom we KNOW don’t report bugs they intend to use for their own advantage. Several of them have actually admitted to that openly.
You have a loyal fanbase for games of actual quality and depth (like classic). This fanbase spreads by word of mouth. You don’t need to shackle yourself to a horde of internet “personalities” and pamper them. You are Blizzard. You deserve better than that.
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People knew… the penalty has always been there. That’s why it’s called ‘exploiting’. You know about a bug. You use it to your advantage. Exploiting.
But exploiting is not allowed and violates their TOS/EULA aka the contract you sign when you hit that accept button when making your account…
The streamers as well as certain hardcore guilds (APE among others) knew about this, yet they kept on abusing the bug.
If anything, those people who abused this bug deserve a ban and get rolled back to level 1.
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I understand your anger, because you are most likely in the group of people who did not get to use this before it was fixed, and that never feels good.
But please understand that similar occurrences in the past, where playing the game normally (and yes, running 5man dungeons in raids IS normal gameplay) got an advantage not intended by Blizzard, were never punished.
So if you expect them to be, you are setting yourself up for disappointment.
People knew
No, they did not. No one knows how XP was calculated in Vanilla, except for Blizzard, and they did not make the formulas public.
And people saying “I remember”…sorry but I couldn’t even tell you what I had for breakfast 3 weeks ago, and I am 33 years old. If someone tells me he accurately remembers a minor calculation-mechanic in a videogame, from 15 years ago, that was relevant for less than 10% of his total time /played, then he either has eidetic memory (less than 0.00001% of the population), or hes guessing, or hes telling me what he WANTS to be true.
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Look at all these crybabies replying lmao. Just login and play instead of “hurrr durrr this destoryed eVerYThInG!!! MOM!!!”
Glad it got fixed when it did, if some people got hold of it then gratz on “free” XP, doesnt affect me whatsoever. I wouldn’t even have known it was a bug.
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I concur, and I want to point out, my above post was not intended to cry about it…my intention was to point out that Blizzard should revise their methodology of how they handle evaluation periods like a beta.
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Are you even aware of what you’re saying?
When people abused bugs aka exploited, they got banned. Kungen and his guild got banned for exploiting a bug in ICC, and others have been banned for exploiting other raids.
Telling me that no one has been banned for abusing bugs to their advantage is the most ridiculous thing i have heard in a long time.
They do, and they did. You think they don’t but they do. How else do you reckon people figured it out and reported it, eh? You have to be in an actual raid to notice it. APES (and other hardcore raid groups/guilds did not report this because they saw it as a bug they could exploit to their advantage… They’ve seen the actual XP rate in raids on PServers for years.
Stop defending this behavior already. The fact that raids have always given far less XP than a 5 man party or solo is common knowledge.
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Dont u wana to rollback those ones who abused this? !!!
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and u dont want to do something with people who abuse this bug - rollback UNFAIRLY XP? people who really making speed leveling by quests just watch how half of servers ABUSE this bug and making levels one by one when others making they levels fairly and blizzard doin nothin. now almoust week gone and u tell us that you fix it. nice but how about all this people?
The ICC punishment was widely criticized, precisely because it did hit Nihilum out of the blue…they didn’t even know why the platform rebuilt sometimes, using Saronite bombs was something all good dps did at the time. To the best of my knowledge, no similar punishment was handed out since.
Part of why that is, is because of what this incident did show: Lots of requests for punishment are not borne out of genuine concern for the games health, but spite, anger and envy, especially towards the top guilds and players.
How else do you reckon people figured it out and reported it, eh?
Accidentally. They thought their opinion was correct and wrote a report, and it turned out to be correct. Other people reported the dungeons being too easy/too hard, quests not working, etc. and got told they remembered wrong. There is an antire bluepost list about the “not a bug” reports. Take 1,000,000 people with 10,000 opinions, and someone will get it right.
Stop defending this behavior already.
Stop condemning it already. You state that everyone who participated in this, did so with some malicious intent, or knowledge that its a bug, which isn’t true. Also, as stated before, your condemnation won’t result in anything, other than disappointed expectations. Hundreds of thousands of people participated in this. The world first Ony/Raggi dependet on this. What’s your expectation, that Blizzard ban half their customers to calm some people on the forums? That’s not gonna happen.
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I condemn exploiting because it is the only right thing to do.
Lots of people are already on reddit condemning their layering exploit and such.
You should probably head over there and tell them they’re wrong, yeah?
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I condemn exploiting because it is the only right thing to do.
Alas there is no exploit here. People were not going in there with the intention of abusing a bug, because people didn’t even know a bug existed, no matter how much you claim this to be the case.
Say in 2 weeks Blizzard discovers that all the xp given for quests was incorrect by 5% and they change it…would you then go to the boards and demand that everything be rolled back, your own chars included?
As I said, people who expect bans or widespread xp rollbacks after this fix, are in for a disappointment.
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I have only 1 question 
why when in retail BFA was exploit on 10% xp bust potion stacking for cuple of h. they ban people in game where xp have no meaning, and in classic where xp and lvling is important part of the game people exploit xp bufg couple of days they do zero penalty for that people ?
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There was a different bug that prevented you from entering dungeons with a raid at all.
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So world first Onyxia and MC was not even done legit?
geez
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The people who did it would have done so anyway, the only difference is, it would have happened a few days later. Besides, the whole “world first race” 15 years after the game in question released, is irrelevant anyway.
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So people who abused this, just gets away with it…neat.
I chose to say abuse, because most knew this was a bug and took advantage of it.
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Shame 10 man dungeons weren’t there in the Stress Test but I guess better late than never.
Can I have a beta key next time? 
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-dungeon-teleporting-bug-in-stress-test/68595
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So the down of Ragna by APES should be invalid (In TOS it’s written that someone abuse an exploit should be banned), since they used that exploit to reach as fast as possible Molten Core.
Normally you shouldn’t reach level 60 in less that a week.
So technically if you doing nothing that mean everyone could use Exploit/Cheat/Anti-afk / buying gold without any issue ?
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APES who run raids since nostalrius didn’t get that they win more XP than usual ? Of course they knew but they keep it secret.
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