you do same raid, over and over again for months, do same few dungeons over and over again for months, how is this not repetitive ?
yes community is another repelling factor for new players , they don’t gatekeep just raids but everything. people don’t have to boost others ego for playing for 20 years , congrats you paid millions of dollars, who cares ? old players expect some sort of respect for playing it longer but that’s just pushing people away. why would they bother with you when there are new games that they will feel and be treated equally ?
It is not about being good or bad atm .
There simply isn’`t anything better . And I did look .
Alternatives are either :
small
Asian mmo (either kiddy or too flashy )
have worse game play
have bad PvP
In reality WoW is rather big , has OK gameplay , okish PvP and acceptable graphics .
Now the WoW story is horrible .
The leveling is no comment.
RPG in a MMORPG is non existent .
But I guess that’s what you get from a Californian game in 2023 . It is full of Woke-ism , Feminism , Gender-ism and all other isms that come attached from that place .
Overall if there was something that has what wow offers + better story , leveling and preferably not made in California , it would be interesting to try … but there isn’t . Yet .
Goes to show how bad the mmorpg market it .
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Honestly bro, I looked at the story in the past 3-4 weeks before sleep and I think it’s great overall. Just the delivery of it imo is kind of lackluster, and the animations are bad. When you look on youtube, the main issue people bring up regarding the story is shadowlands, and from my perception they’re kind of criticizing the delivery of it rather than the actual content.
To each their own I guess . No need to watch youtube if you played the game from the start to have your own opinion .
Yes shadowlands is bad . Dragonflight is the same dog****
In terms of story .
Vanilla trough Pandaria >>> Great story
Draenor > bad
Legion > OK
BFA > OKish
shadowlands and dragonflight >>> very bad .
It’s too much to go into detail and derail the post , but lets just Dragonflight is kiddy , feminist , Woke , gender and worst of all poorly written and unbelievable story .
Just an example . from “the latest 3-4 weeks”
Shadowflame is supper bad . We have huge dragon eat it and go mad / empowered by it . Just touching the stuff melts and corrupts you and you can’t stop it . Same dragon flies over Loam with a “roar” and basically showers them with shadowflame . Than everything is ok and only 2-3 people are dead , while the half dead tauren dragon just puts some dust on the flames and it’s all gone .
The story in Dragonflight can be summarized as a “fancy wrapper”
It looks good on the shelf and if you don’t look to closely and just “buy it” , it will slide. Just don’t taste it or look at what is inside the wrapper as that’s where the bad stuff starts .
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I looked at that one the most, and it’s my favorite part. That’s why I chose orc lol
I think Dragonflight has a very cool story with bad delivery, but it’s locked. You have to watch it on youtube ideally with some geek explaining it.
Maybe they should save some money on making very complicated sarkareth strats and instead make a cooler cut scene lol
Draenor is bad because it was rushed , unfinished and obviously scrapped somewhere in middle of the development .
You go from Hellscream genocide and conqueror in one patch to > Hellscream savior of the world in the next .
If you look at the story it is obvious that taanan should have been a starter zone .
Than we have what we have now .
After than there should have been shattrath raid.
After that there should have been Ogre raid (with gul dan and everything else to explain how we got to Hellscream savior of the world .
and only after that we get Hellfire Citadel .
80% of the above was scrapped so yea bad story .
Did you even notice that there is a piece of land visible on the map that is the said ogre continent ? It is at the bottom of the map near Spire of Arak .
You can actually see it if you fly in the sea towards it , before the Fatigue bar ends and you get killed .
PS Yea I also liked the idea of Draenor , but poor delivery is poor delivery . It could have been one of the best expansions , but it was not .
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You don’t understand. I’m talking about the actual story, not about the delivery, but when I make a new char, I might play through draenor. Probably won’t make a new char tho
A good story without good delivery is called a sketch or an idea .
You can’t have good story without good delivery .
Even the most interesting events in the world are bad if you can’t tell them properly .
If WoW didn’t die in Shadowlands with all the scandals, boycotts, FF14 refugees, few game patches, bad content, systems (conduits, covenants, legendary prices, and so on), it won’t die now.
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somehow d4 will be more polished with it’s updates? lmao, stop setting up disappointments, d4 is already not polished from the start
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Local casual content fan OUTRAGED of wow being mmorpg grindy pve game. I guess superior games that you mentioned before like BDO and Lost Ark AI generate their content every nanosecond.
lol, bdo got a remastered version years ago even when it already had decent graphics, yes, it’s grindy too but at least you don’t have to do the grind with a certain group of people to enjoy it . if we’re talking about non-grindy mmos, ESO and GW2 says hi with their optimised end-game where you just play and enjoy the content, then take a break to actually live a life, you have to constantly play wow and do the same thing over and over again to call yourself an end-game player xd keep defending that
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Don’t play mmo
Dunno about gw2 but mentioning ESO as somehow succesful mmo is very copium
My very casual guild did AotC VoI last season, they play 2 times a week, you have half a year for each season to do most endgame stuff.
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not up to you to decide
i didn’t say more successful than wow ?
most of the other mmos let you take breaks and when you come back you don’t feel like you missed out on so much & got left behind other players, with wow, you’re either in for the whole expansion or you skip it. catch-up mechanics only help with your ilvl, even tho they’re better now, it’s still not enough. for example, people (at least most of the people) still check your season 1 rating before accepting your application , if you don’t have a s1 rating and your current is not high enough, they’ll simply choose other players and i’m not blaming them, that’s how the system works. everyone knows WoW has the most FOMO
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It’s not more succesful than even lost ark, to reach atleast gw2 heights they need to delete current game and rebuild it from scratch.
Your dealbreaker is not being able to do high endgame achievment for guilds that actively play game? Lmao. “i can’t get Ahead of the Curve, this game is timegated reeeeeeee”
Make your own keys, i litteraly joined df a 1.5 month before 2 season and managed without hassle to get KSM, it’s not hard at all
It actually has the highest Player Retention in years. Problem is that BFA and SL really hurt the playerbase along with the bad press of late, so new players are slow to come.
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so 11 days?
how tf do you know that it’s not more successful than either of those.
yeah you just don’t get it.
same , getting ksm is not hard and that’s not even the point LOL.
It’s hard to call WoW dead as all of its competition is being abandoned again for the third time. While its new competition is making the same mistakes as the previous three waves.
Only Final Fantasy 14 was able to hold off this behemoth.But that is because it did what WoW did years ago and Everquest before it , but in a smaller version.
Don’t underestimate WoW. There is a reason why it is still the WoW era and Blizzard still supports it fully.
Because ESO is flawed at the core game with main flaw being combat (guess why it’s bad for mmo) Lost ark has become aggresively monetized subpar grind abomination. I played both yes.
I don’t get why you playing mmo genre when your main complaint is neccesity to group with people, it’s really funny.
So what’s the problem with m+ again?