WoW Fresh: GDKP clarifications, trading in a guild?

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

Hi everyone,

I honestly had no idea how the hell to title this post

Back in 2019 fresh within our guild we used to gold bid the onyxia bags https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=17966/onyxia-hide-backpack
in our guild runs. The gold we would then collect for our guild back and that gold would be used to buy recipes for crafts, craft onyxia cloaks, flasks for our tanks etc any guild related expenses… There was no min/max bid or anything people could spend as much as they wanted/could to both get the bag and also contribute to the guild.

Now we wanted to do the same thing this time around since and everyone was fine with it as it worked great. (good chunk of the same guild basically)
However with the current gdkp bans and penalties we wanted to double check if we are even allowed to do this… The way I am understanding this is that it SHOULD NOT be a problem but that could be just my interpretation of the rules. We are not bidding out player power items (ofc someone can make the argument for the bag) and the gold is also not split to the raid but collected for our guild…

Can someone shed some light on this, would be good to have a more credible source confirm if this would be allowed or not.

[Saneko-ragnaros (Saneko)]

Here’s some sources so you can check it over hmhm?

Emphasis mines:

@Kaivax

GDKP Policy

In line with our policy enacted on Season of Discovery realms in NA and EU

Which they refer to the SOD GDKP policy:

@Kaivax

What exactly constitutes a “gold bid” or GDKP raid?

• We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold. Please note that we have multiple detection methods for GDKP that are effective both inside and outside of dungeon or raid instances.

[Andruid-azuremyst]

You are selling an item for gold - that is no longer allowed according to the GDKP rules. Good intentions or not - but this won’t work anymore.

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

@Andruid-azuremyst

You are selling an item for gold - that is no longer allowed according to the GDKP rules. Good intentions or not - but this won’t work anymore.

Yea… technically its literally against but at teh same time in this context this is for a green item that has no direct player power implications…
So basically because of extreams of the gdkp system… we cant do something basic like this when there is a good intention in a guild setting

[Andruid-azuremyst]

@Jaybird-spineshatter

at teh same time in this context this is for a green item that has no direct player power implications…

I don’t see why that should make GDKP legal?!

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

I am not saying GDKP should be legal? and I also dont see how this also classifies the raid as gdkp

[Andruid-azuremyst]

I maybe misunderstood you, but you were saying because it a green … rules are the same.

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

@Kaivax

GDKP is a loot system some players use that essentially allows all loot to be purchased in a dungeon or raid using gold rather than being rolled for or awarded using another loot system. How this typically works is that an item drops and is then put up for gold bid among the members of the group. Players will submit their bids in gold, and the highest bidder wins. After the item is won, gold is traded to the loot master, and then that gold is usually divided among all the raid members.

when there is obviously other loot system in place for every item and also there is no gold split or anything done what so ever, is it technically GDKP?
By that logic blizzard should be banning every run that sells items for gold
for example all the people selling HoJ on drop or Reed or whatever other item.
Player enters - trades gold - gets item… However this has never been against ToS, so obviously context matters

[Belda-spineshatter]

I think it could work if you bid in raid and the winner transfer the money to g-bank after raid is over. I Cannot see how it would be catched.
But technically is it against the rules i Think.

[Belda-spineshatter]

I am pretty sure they Ban for runs where you sell an item.

[Andruid-azuremyst]

@Jaybird-spineshatter

when there is obviously other loot system in place for every item and also there is no gold split or anything done what so ever, is it technically GDKP?

No, it techniclaly isn’t GDKP.
It is selling items for gold - which is no longer allowed. It is clearly written in the rules.

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

@Andruid-azuremyst

No, it techniclaly isn’t GDKP. It is selling items for gold - which is no longer allowed.

Source? because if so, half the server groups should be banned because its full of groups/runs selling dungeon items for gold

[Andruid-azuremyst]

@Jaybird-spineshatter

Source? because if so, half the server groups should be banned because its full of groups/runs selling dungeon items for gold

It was posted above, but here again for you:

@Kaivax

We’re defining GDKP as any raid or dungeon run where items are awarded in exchange for gold.

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

Oh f… sorry, i skimmed over the dungeon part…

Well thats a huge bummer, since we have to figure out some other solution to our issue but also… why are people not getting punished for this if this is against the rules now…

I feel like a lot of people, like me, completely missed the part where this impacts dungeons as well

[Jaybird-spineshatter]

Well what would be a valid solution to this problem when we cant sell bags from ony… just trying to get ideas that would be within ToS

[Andruid-azuremyst]

Can’t you hard reserve all BOE drops and then sell it on AH afterwards? I think most guilds / guild pugs are doing this already, and that should give you some good guild income.