I can’t word it well, just a dark empty feeling that separates me from the rest, knowing I am not good as they and their timed 16+ runs, since I don’t like playing competitive every time I log on., so I am not skilled, geared or simmed enough to hit modern standards of gaming. I can only feel a stone in my throat and gut when ppl asking around for participians for 12-13, or higher keys. I am just paralized not want to put myself in a situation wher i waste others time and frustrate them lossing the remnants of my self esteem in the process.
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You’re in a guild that’s poorly suited for your playstyle. You should find somewhere else where the players have a similar mindset to yours.
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Sounds like the guild you’re in doesnt suit you.
Thats allright.
You dont HAVE TO be the best player in WoW, you dont have to do the Top runs and the higest keys.
If thats not your playstyle. Thats fine.
Try and find a guild thats a bit more casual, there is no shame in that
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don’t listen to the guys above. you need to push yourself to become the top player in that guild. they’re just humans too, and reaching that level is only a question of preparation and practice!
Why?
No you dont.
Only if you WANT to and if you CAN.
The Op Clearly says hes not as good as they are, there is no shame in that. I’ve been in guilds where everyone was better then me, i left them, i know i am not the best player in WoW. I need a guild that suits my level or is just slightly better, nothing more.
Not everyone can or wants to be the best,
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OP you sound like FFXIV would be the ideal game for you. You can play it for fun and never have to feel like you are not good enough. People are also friendly and are happy to teach you the more difficult content.
I’m just going to echo what others have said, if they are outside of your comfort zone then find a guild that is in it, some guilds have bigger mixes of skill levels, some are all more serious and others are more casual.
I actually went for a far more casual two day raiding guild this time round and although it will be a lot slower getting AotC, it’s a nice chill atmosphere. There is a complete mix of abilities and eventually we’ll make our way through and dabble with a bit of Mythic too.
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That dark empty can be described as the following: Missing Tier sets
Some classes are just dog s… without it. Catalyst luckily comes next week. The game is only playable during the very last patch of an expansion.
I mean your highest key is a +9 , the only relevant change is the seasonal affix, you can take 5 min to read what it does and then just tell people “hey i have not seen seasonal affix yet but I did read about it”.
And simply ask your guild members if they can call what to kill when there is the affix (majority goes for Urh 9/10 times. If they dont even wanna do that, then that is probably a guild you dont wanna stay in regardless of how you wanna play.
Really, if a guild is not willing to help you make those little steps is a guild not worth staying in anyway.
But you have to ask, even if the keys goes wrong who cares, you think people doing 16 are gods that never screw up or that they did not take their time to learn first?
The question is, are you really not good or do you think you’re not good. That’s a huge difference.
If you’re really not good and you’re healthy with a normal mental capacity, than there’s literally nothing stopping you from improving yourself.
- Clicking? Stop clicking, or stop clicking gradually in steps, important spells first.
- Failing on mechanics? Start making notes for yourself. You can really super easily do this in a casual way by looking up Youtube insert dungeon name mythic. There’s usually only a couple of notes you have to make as most of it is the obvious stay out of fire stuff. After making notes for the specific dungeon, go find a Mythic+ group through the premade group finder and do the dungeon.
- Failing on personal cooldowns? Go make some Weak Auras for yourself.
- Install DBM, even race to world first guilds use it so there’s no shame in this.
Etc.
As for the gear part, yeah there’s no working around that. You just have to get geared a bit. Sure, if you’re decent you can make up a lot for not having good gear put you can’t expect both yourself and your guildies to always do higher end content with low gear.
Edit: you are ilvl 259, that’s not that bad. Should be enough to do 10-15 maybe 16 and higher.
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Like everyone said - the guild you are in might not be the right fit. Either way it is nice and satisfying to time keys so do your best, but not everyone does. Look in LFG and see if you can find groups that are suited to your playstyle. Often they will advertise “chill run” meaning they don’t care if they time the key or not they just want to finish it and hope for the best in Vault of Great Disappointment. Good Luck and hope you come right but don’t give up.
This is very much the answer. You’ve joined a guild containing people who don’t share the same goals in the game. If you don’t want to be trying for high keys, a guild full of people who want to do high keys is not a good fit.
Also, seeing as OP is Alliance; try the Scared of Dungeons community. You won’t have to change server, and there’s no application process.
I seriously do not get how you people jump to this conclusion considering the only thing given to us is that this person does not want to play competitive every time and its scared to propose when they ask if someone wanna join.
More than a “guild problem” it looks like a player problem.
Just because you dont share the same goal does not mean they cant play together sometimes, maybe op will end up liking them and enjoy doing 15s.
They are not really scary once you get going.
But if you dont propose and try to get in, you cant expect people to come and Force you to go.
If someone does not ask me to do keys or never offer to come when someone propose, people will just assume you are not interested.
Propose, try, its a game after all, no one will die irl if you fail in a key.
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What does that have to do with the post?
I suffer with extreme anxiety and poor self esteem, I’m capable of doing higher keys but still get nervous when getting invited to a +8. you always get that feeling like you’re going to let them down or frustrate them to the point where they won’t want to play with you again. My advice would be to either stick around and push yourself, you don’t have to be amazing you just need to know you’re doing a good job. or you can find a guild where you can make some friends and push some content together (some people won’t care if somethings done well as long as you’re having fun together). Don’t lose hope OP, play at your own pace and hopefully 1 day you’ll start to feel good about what you’re doing and who you’re doing it with. <3
You have to ask yourself what you want, also from a guild.
If you want it become a good player, you have to invest time into it. You want to be good at dungeons, learn them.
Basic videos I saw were those from Hazelnutty, then I got the basics. I also don’t always knoe what every single mob does, but I am aware of most of the key ones.
When I got into 9.2, I did low keys of Streets and Gambit, since I didn’t play that dungeon at all. It wouldn’t make sense to join a 9, 10 or higher, first learn, then join.
Also your characters, I tend to watch guides on youtube, join class discords. If you want to become really good at one class spec, also try not go do that same content on loads of alts. Then you will not improve as much.
I understand that guild thing, had that, still have it, in my case, I’m a healer, there’s always either groups that push keys together, or certain cliques in a guild, and of course there’s ALWAYS a healer that heals them all. And sometimes I get asked, but usually if a “friend” or guildie is not online, so they need another healer. And I’m not the best but I am a good healer, somehow it doesnt matter, that doesn’t mean you get asked.
I went to communities, sometimes lucky, sometimes not. I left one community, since basically there was one push group in that place, once to twice a week they asked 1 DPS, people replied in seconds, but never a healer. Then again, it shouldn’t be their problem, the problem was, that besides them, when people were asking for people to join keys, which I spent time on at one point in time, you could wait for 30-60 minutes, mostly nobody replied. But if they posted a key, in milliseconds people replied 
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So I just hope at one point I find a group myself, I sometimes add people I meet, but mostly nothing happens after that.
Anyway, just try to improve yourself, you don’t get better without working on yourself, just like IRL things don’t happen out of nothing.
Do like me and join a casual social guild that still raids and do high m+. I joined a swedish guild and there are alot of different people there. Some do really high m+, som just talks in the chat and like being social while just questing and stuff. We do raid in the guild but they are really forgiving and everyone helps eachother if someone doesn’t know tacticts or are just not as good as someone else.
Can’t you talk to your guild about this?
Because this garbage game is designed to leave people benched. M+ timers are hard and especially if you pug it is the most toxic environment in wow.
His problem is only the symptom of garbage lands and it’s systems. The game is focusing around elitist players where average joes are left behind. This current season is even harder than any previous.
Most of the time ‘not feeling good enough’ is only related to the fact that SL gates playerpower. Maybe it’s not even him slacking, it’s the fact that his class is a mess without a perfect combination of the bazillion borrowed powers they put into SL.
No it actually has nothing to do with that, OP problem has nothing to do with player power, but more with him not feeling confident/not wanting the risk of ruining guild mates keys durino the learning process.
It is you forcing this view into OP’s problem just to complain in another topic about something totally unrelated.
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